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QUOTE: "There are active political movements which aren't based on dressing up in silly masks and annoying people, but which actually make a difference to the political landscape." No there are not! The trade unions and the established Labour movement have failed to change anything since the Tories got re-eclected in 2010! See this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYbZbhRsKrg
Millions of people across the country have demonstrated against government austerity cuts since 2010 but have been totally ignored as the government plough on with mass privatisation and mass austerity cuts to public services! Anonymous and its more militant forms of action are the new way forward as the parties of the past have failed time and time again. -
What are your new mechanisms for change if you won't engage with democracy?
Demo's can have an effect and it's patronising to say they've been ignored. Hunt couldn't ignore the junior doctors (without political cost) for instance. But demo's are not new. You're not occupying or closing down businesses that benefit from unjust policies. You're not informing or educating anyone.
Flash mobs? You don't effectivley utilise these (FoE did yesterday outside Barclay's branches).
Hacking?
Feeling badass in a mask?
Reenforcing some hoody stereotypes in the mind of Daily Fail readers?
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Trolling us here!
Bringing down the system, one cycling forum at a time.
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They've demonstrated while showing their faces and carrying banners of established political organisations. That takes more balls and commitment than putting on a mask and shouting stuff. Do you really think a few kids wearing stupid masks are going to change things if people who actually know what they're doing can't?
Anonymous seems to have no overarching message other than 'Yeah. Fuck the government!' What solutions or alternatives is anonymous offering? You can't change something if you don't know what it is that you're fighting or what you're suggesting instead. It comes back to it not being a 'protest', more a bunch of entitled idiots shouting random demands.There's a sense of self-importance and arrogance, and then there's your typical 'Anonymous' member's sense of self-importance and arrogance.
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@Goldsword So currently their facebook page is pushing the 'story' (it's in a leaked email) that Gaddafi was killed by a bunch of mixed mercenaries, some of which had contact with western military.
This is of course is not news if you paid attention at the time.
The revelation seems to be Gaddafi planned his own African currency. Again not really a surprise if you knew anything about him. He wanted a lot of things and fancied himself as an ideas man, just nobody took him seriously.
He also farted a lot.
Should I page Anonymous?
Are the farts all Hillary's fault?
The more I read of their poorly researched, unaccountable rumour presented as journalism, the more I think they're the tool of Vladislav Surkov or similar. He must love this nonsense.
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No it is not bullshit! The movement against government cuts led by the TUC and the Socialist Worker party front organisation The Peoples Assembly Against Austerity have failed to reverse any government cuts in the past six and a half years since the Tories were re-elected. The movement in France in 1968 nearly won! Read this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/may/13/newsid_2512000/2512413.stm That movement was not led by the major left wing parties but was made up of independent grass roots activist groups led by militant students and militant workers outside the main trade union movement!
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Why is it trolling to promote a protest against government austerity cuts and other unpopular government policies like benefit sanctions and the renewal of trident nuclear submarines? Here is the video invite to this protest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95o2sjPVejY
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Why is it trolling to promote a protest against government austerity cuts and other unpopular government policies like benefit sanctions and the renewal of trident nuclear submarines?
It isn't, you just seem so ill informed that people assume you are trolling.
On no one (Labour, Unions etc) doing anything: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/24-screeching-u-turns-david-7935230
The movement in France in 1968 nearly won! Read this:
This is a fucking ludicrous example to prove your movements worth. Firstly how is this one day strike by 800k workers in 1968 Paris like 4000 people wearing masks? 2nd - they didn't win.
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The link you posted was of an organised event just like the anti-austerity protests and Stop the War protests carried out in recent years, organised by trade unions, the SWP and students. They're a different thing entirely to a bunch of idiots wearing masks.
If well organised protests by people whose job it is to fight for social justice can't change things, then how on earth do you suppose young men wearing silly masks are going to? Honestly, the levels of arrogance and delusion are just unbelievable.
I think the most frustrating thing is that you seem to think we're all living in the dark ('sheeple', you may say), and that you are somehow opening our eyes to the cruelty of the world. This is precisely the problem with anonymous - the whole theme is one of smugness and 'wake up sheeple' that suggests to me that they need to spend less time on the internet and more time actually talking to people. They might realise then that normal people are well aware of what is happening in this country and are angry about it, they just choose other ways to try and change it.
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I just hope to god that you're 13 and not a grown adult.
I'll take "Statements taken out of context" for $200
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QUOTE: "I just hope to god that you're 13 and not a grown adult."
No I am not 13. I am a grown up person and thousands of grown up people attend the annual Million Mask March events. I have been on loads of similar protests over the past 30 odd years. And I know that the SWP, the trade unions and the left wing front organisations like Peoples Assembly against austerity are a waste of time because they divert protest into useless forms of action. The left think that a day of action is a boring A to B march where people listen to speakers at a rally where they are told what they already know. Hopefully this protest by Anonymous will be really huge and will make a big impact! https://www.facebook.com/MillionMaskMarchLondon/?fref=ts
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Again: we get it, people agree that the Tories at evil and they have actively fucked people over in this country. No one is disputing this. Your 'protest' is just a bit silly, particularly as anonymous are viewed as a pretty alt-right organisation. There are active political movements which aren't based on dressing up in silly masks and annoying people, but which actually make a difference to the political landscape.