EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I think it only becomes an issue when people bring values that are going against the grain. But what that is isn't so easy to define.

A Glasgow shopkeeper that was killed because of the issues in Pakistan of his form of Islam is something nobody is waiting for. But my Dutch secularism/feminism ruffles feathers too, some people want to keep this sectarian part of NI.

It's a conversation we need to have with each other. But society can't even agree internally sometimes on what it wants to be... You would think secularism/human rights are givens, but no.

This is becoming Kafkaesque.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/07/lse-brexit-non-uk-experts-foreign-academics

Of course, but not all communities integrate at the same rate and/or with the same enthusiasm. You would have thought that over time it would level out, though.

I think it only becomes an issue when people bring values that are going against the grain.

The "it's wrong because I don't like it" approach

It's going to be fun to see how the UK government can recruit the hundreds of experienced trade negotiators it's going to need shortly with policies like that in place.

The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJepFc93rOs

Not when people are being killed cos they believe in the wrong type of Islam for the guy that killed them.
Not when USA megachurches come in that want to set back religious freedom 100 years.

But that's assuming you think religious bigotry/privilege is wrong. The Tories don't seem to think it is. And that's where the snag is, how can you say to people "this is wrong" if you can't agree as a society.

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Didn't' refresh - Oli got there first.

Second comment on the article: "A sensible move."

Um - I'm not sure your allowed to post that any more.

Well they've all had enough of experts, haven't they?

If they're going to HAVE to use experts then they might as well be bloody local ones.

*said in mockney accent

#pleasedontgrassmeup

Makes you wish for the days when the Old Etonians were in charge.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/07/lse-brexit-non-uk-experts-foreign-academics?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

"The Foreign Office was said to be concerned about the risk of sensitive material being exposed as article 50 negotiations over Britain’s exit from the EU – and subsequent talks on its future trade and other relations with the bloc – start to get under way."

Well fuck a duck. Maybe it's a sorta storm in a teacup, I'm no expert. The sensitive material bit sounds like utter BS though.

yep

I thught I read a small article stating that we were all going to be 'saved' by leading partners of 'BIG' Law firms coming to our rescue, and selflessly allowing themselves to be seconded to whichever Department is doing the serious negotiations.

Lawyers of course being ideally unsuited for such negotiations, as they expect the other side to honour any agreements.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/07/theresa-may-is-following-enoch-powell--by-actually-listening-to/

The Telegraph have gone all out fascist on Brexit.

Our new Prime Minister has connected with the Zeitgeist of the British people. She can lead them properly and confidently once she has won their respect in this way. She deserves the unqualified support of her colleagues for this. It has taken almost 50 years to learn Enoch’s lessons about accommodating the will of the people, but better late than never.

Fucking hell!

It's not, like, satire is it?

It's Simon Heffer, he's been beyond satire for a long time.

And fun to see where the UK is going to recruit hundreds of doctors

she would like to kick out the tens of thousands of foreign-born doctors who keep the vast British health service functioning

Perhaps Dr Liam Fox will be forced into the health service to cover the shortfall

As if the junior doctor don't already have a lots of shit to do.

I'd have thought it be illegal since we're still in the EU.

I'd have thought it be illegal since we're still in the EU

We're in uncharted territory, a fantasy phase where the Tories can say stuff for populist appeal outside any current legal or moral framework

Who benefits from this brexit option?

I'm struggling to think of anyone. Bar Murdoch and Tory fruitloops.

Businesses don't seem to like leaving the EEC for example
Nobody is magically get a decent job once the furrigns are named and shamed
Trade is an enormous gamble and UK is in a weak position
Human rights, well...

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Youre right. No winners but 'the people' (c35% if them) have spoken. And while dangerous populism is rife amongst the so called leaders there is no coherent opposition. This doesn't bode well

Nobody is magically get a decent job once the furrigns are named and shamed

Naming and shaming was so last week:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/oct/09/plan-to-force-firms-to-reveal-foreign-staff-numbers-abandoned

I imagine was probably a dead cat, although I don't know what it was meant to distract from.

#stitcheduplikeataxidermicatedcat
#newverbtime

There are those who have the view that exports will increase once we can do our own deals with the US, India and China. Also the theory that we'll be millions better off when we stop paying EU subsidies.