EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Is it? Damn, I thought it was now 'Metropolitan Elite Cafe'. No acute accent on 'Cafe', because that's foreign and Brexit means Brexit.

So it's part jobs not being suitable, part business exploitation, and part lack of skills and basically part people are unwilling to do the job (which I won't hold against them, I've done my call centre stints) as they're basically dead-end jobs forever.

Indeed. I will be watching with interest how Merthyr Tydfil and other Globalisation-gutted towns turn into a utopia of fulfilling life employment (with pension!) now that we'll be getting our sovereignty back.

I mean, they can employ at least another two people at Bike Park Wales.

I mean, they can employ at least another two people at Bike Park Wales.

The Bike Park Wales which is part funded by the European Regional Development Fund?

Should be spelt Caff rather than suggest forrun werdz

I considered that, but I decided it was a bit too ersatz slobspeak for even the most fervent Brexiteer. Probably not though.

Ah, oh well. More call centres, then. Everyone loves those.

Tea room?

Hard to get staff speaking foreign languages when you are not part of...

OH.

Those fuckwits in Northern Ireland that are still happy over Brexit, jaysus. With recruiting being harder, I see us losing jobs to Republic of Ireland.

Hey, they can eat UK flags.

Bréakfast means bréakfast.

Agreed, that's why I said there are bigger issues at play.

But if any discussion about immigration is shouted down then these things don't come to light.

Just claiming that anecdotally British workers aren't willing to work seems a bit of a lazy generalisation. I know a variety of people who were working in factory jobs and now there is no work available. If that is matched with seeing high percentages of immigrant labour working in factories then, regardless of how much you say that immigration has net benefits for the UK, these people are going to be pissed off.

We don't have a pret, we have an Oddie's if that helps.

Given most people's impression of a welsh accent comes across as indian, UKIP voters will still be angered by being served by someone who sounds forrin.

I actually have no problems with people not wanting to do shit jobs, 0 hour contracts and so on. You just can't have it both ways, blame others for taking them and not work ;)

Is there any more info on your factory working acquaintances? Is there research for that area?

I am sure there are cases where immigration can seem to hurt jobs: But ultimately it's probably a cost cutting exercise, they want rid of the more experienced long term staff and get cheap people. Which happen to be immigrants.

The jobs are there. Your acquaintances could get hired. The bosses are probably LOCALS too. But, they don't get hired. So what's going on?

I've seen some pieces of research that show for lower incomes immigration can cause issues, other say the effect is fairly minimal. It can happen, but I am having big problems with the conversation the way it's held: Name and shame.

It's not solution searching.

We don't even have a pret or an ollies in Belfast, but we have Greg's :P

Maybe a job environment (e.g. shitty retail) that has all or a majority of its workforce 'not local English' may feel intimidating , lonely - excluded even ? - which might put people off applying for these jobs.

A lot of my staff joined speaking close to no English and left basically fluent, and they all grafted like fuck. They got the English proficiency which was largely what they were after- one guy worked for me for a year as a waiter then got a job as a marketing manager as his English had got to the stage that he could get the job he was after. I sacked more English people than any other nationality- usually for stealing.

Sent them to the colonies?

But if any discussion about immigration is shouted down then these things don't come to light.

But is it?

Everyone says; "your can't talk about immigration without being called racist". But that doesn't ring true to me.

People have been talking about Australian points based systems for years. Equally the shambles of our immigration policy always gets discussed.

What exactly is off topic? Criticism of the right wing press when it uses loaded language and print negative stories? Of course that gets pulled up by non-racists.

As far as I can see the real "issue" with our immigration system is its convoluted nature and failure of implementation. How many foreign nationals do we have? We don't know. How often are people who exploit foreign works prosecuted and how much time/budget is devoted tackling them?

As far as I can see the real "issue" with our immigration system is its convoluted nature and failure of implementation. How many foreign nationals do we have? We don't know. How often are people who exploit foreign works prosecuted and how much time/budget is devoted tackling them?

What's the net cost of it all and does it pale into insignificance relative to real government-size numbers like the cost of the NHS, Pensions and the amount of dodged tax the Inland Revenue fails to pursue?

The short answer is yes.

I think one of the things DM-types don't understand about Guardianistas, is that they aren't in favour of uncontrolled immigration, benefit abuse, etc.

They just recognise that you will always have a small number of people gaming the system, but this is nothing compared to numerous other pieces of wasted expenditure.

Actually, I am in favour of uncontrolled immigration.

Anything else is just nationalism as far as I am concerned.

I think it comes down to your definition of "controlled/uncontrolled" doesn't it?

Are you in favour of no security screening for eg?

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Security as in criminal checks and terrorism checks?

That is a policing function not an immigration function.

I am in favour of policing.

Although, terrorism is a stupidly over estimated threat and nationalistic policies do nothing to prevent our nation from being a target.

To be clear. I am in favour of allowing anyone who wants to come and work and live here.

Immigration is a net benefit to the country and to its inhabitants. I like good things. I'd like more of them.

More immigration would increase our per capita GDP allowing for more and better schools and hospitals. I like those things.

I disagree with all staements that cast immigration as a worry. They are ill informed and emotional, at best.

People all over the world live in the most terrible situations and yet our country is involved in a massive hang wringing exercise about whether another half a million people here would be the end of our world. It is embarrassing how self entitled and selfish that is.

I bet no one in Haiti is worried about migration right now.

I know the film well, BQ :)

There are still a lot of Spanish peeps in Pimlico, Also Colombians ;)

Well put the man. Sadly yours is now a very minority view. Sadly is is not only this country.