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" suggesting that restricting immigration is backwards and racist is part of the reason we're fucked now."
It is when immigration is not the root cause of the problem that exist: Namely people not getting the jobs, eg unemployment.
- In The Netherlands business undercut locals by using a special EU scheme which means welders get paid very little taxable income, and it costs the business less. This pisses off local welders, NL tried to change this scheme but Poland blocked it.
- Some jobs are not suitable when you are the single income person with kids, no flexibility
- People don't want to do some jobs as they're dirty and low paid
So it's part jobs not being suitable, part business exploitation, and part lack of skills and basically part people are unwilling to do the job (which I won't hold against them, I've done my call centre stints) as they're basically dead-end jobs forever.
But it's easy to blame it on themmuns for the government, as business want cheap workers, the government doesn't want to raise tax to pay for education. etc etc...
- In The Netherlands business undercut locals by using a special EU scheme which means welders get paid very little taxable income, and it costs the business less. This pisses off local welders, NL tried to change this scheme but Poland blocked it.
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So it's part jobs not being suitable, part business exploitation, and part lack of skills and basically part people are unwilling to do the job (which I won't hold against them, I've done my call centre stints) as they're basically dead-end jobs forever.
Indeed. I will be watching with interest how Merthyr Tydfil and other Globalisation-gutted towns turn into a utopia of fulfilling life employment (with pension!) now that we'll be getting our sovereignty back.
I mean, they can employ at least another two people at Bike Park Wales.
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Agreed, that's why I said there are bigger issues at play.
But if any discussion about immigration is shouted down then these things don't come to light.
Just claiming that anecdotally British workers aren't willing to work seems a bit of a lazy generalisation. I know a variety of people who were working in factory jobs and now there is no work available. If that is matched with seeing high percentages of immigrant labour working in factories then, regardless of how much you say that immigration has net benefits for the UK, these people are going to be pissed off.
We don't have a pret, we have an Oddie's if that helps.
Howard
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Although years of shouting it down as racist is probably part of what ended us up where we are today.
If there'd been a bit more openness and discussion then maybe people wouldn't have reacted the way they did when given a chance to vote on it.
It's OK saying that immigrants make a net contribution to society, but people find it hard to accept that when they are not working and some industries have a disproportionate amount of foreign labour.
This is particularly the case in unskilled labour:
Of those 43%, 19% are migrants who've arrived in the past 5 years. It's easy to see why people have concerns.
There are obviously bigger issues at play, enforcement of the minimum wage for one, but just suggesting that restricting immigration is backwards and racist is part of the reason we're fucked now.