• What sort of bad experiences? Simply awkward to build with, or something more?

    I'm in two minds about them now (had more or less made up my mind to give them a go and come to my own conclusions) - I'd steer clear, except that I do want to try a rim that's sold for tubeless use to see how it differs from one that's not.

    Hmm. Archetypes are probably the next choice but I'm not that keen on the looks - I do quite like the cosmetics of open pros

  • I do want to try a rim that's sold for tubeless

    How about DT R460?

  • Exactly the experiences I described.
    It's not a lot of rim for lots of cash.
    There is better and cheaper options out there.
    However not tubeless and not 36h.

    As for old stock open pros, they were nice rims. So were cxp33.
    All the new stuff is overpriced and inferior to the old ones.
    As tester said Mavic is interested in selling wheelsystems not rims. Luckily for them, shops like to sell their kit because they don't care / know better. Plus the margins are sweet :)

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