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What sort of bad experiences? Simply awkward to build with, or something more?
I'm in two minds about them now (had more or less made up my mind to give them a go and come to my own conclusions) - I'd steer clear, except that I do want to try a rim that's sold for tubeless use to see how it differs from one that's not.
Hmm. Archetypes are probably the next choice but I'm not that keen on the looks - I do quite like the cosmetics of open pros
jsabine
Be fair to say you're not keen on them then? Thanks for that detailed criticism.
As for Open Pros, I'm still reasonably happy with mine, apart from the price, but maybe I'm just not that discerning. (Plus all of mine are older stock anyway.)
I'm resigned to spending that sort of money now anyway.