Labour Leadership 2016

I don't see a 'Donate' button on savinglabour.com.

Edit to add - looking through the Momentum page, I see that they are disclosing the identity of donors over a certain size in line with the rules. Which is good. (This is something the SWP didn't do).

It's still a fund of money that can be directed to whatever purposes the Momentum leadership want to spend it on. If they set up an accountability structure, then I think the problem largely goes away. But at the moment it doesn't sit well.

You don't see a button but it has money which comes from somewhere.

Not sure that setting up a website costs very much at all.

Hah :)

I know I was asking why it was £25 to be a registered supporter. Membership is different in that you can't vote for the leader if you sign up now.

Latest YouGov polling showing Corbyn's 'leadership' still a great success.

A good one costs a shitload.

/business card?

What kind of organisation is 'Fuck Lord Ashcroft'? Is it the secret power behind the throne?

You know too much already....

sends hit squad

Nah, it just campaigns against punctuation

Yeah. We get it, you don't like Jez Corbo.

Now hit me up with some positive stats about the alternatives.

Split Labour party looking increasingly likely.
Apparently, some huge Tory backers have even offered to fund a new centre-left party, because they are worried that if the current tory party doesn't have an effective opposition, the country will lurch to the right and let UKIP in at the next general election.

Yeah. We get it, you don't like Jez Corbo.

Agreed. @Fox you've made your point about the polls again and again. Time to start coming up with some positive options / alternatives. If Smith's your man, sell him to us.

Previously when I mentioned the polls people said YEAH BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW MANNNN CORBYN MIGHT BE AMAZING.

This isn't really the same point anyway - this one shows Labour behind even in London, which is truly disastrous and much worse than previous polls I'm afraid.

Smith's not my man, at least not yet, I know little about him. I don't think the fact people hadn't heard of him till recently is necessarily a problem though. I know that Corbyn definitely isn't.

Hold on, let me take a look at the list of candidates.

Ah. Er...

That's the problem though isn't it? Why are only two people standing? Why it it a binary choice? Why the lack of any other decent candidates?

That's the problem though isn't it? Why are only two people standing? Why it it a binary choice? Why the lack of any other decent candidates?

Because to have any hope of removing Corbyn there has to be only one candidate, otherwise the vote will be split.

Smith's not my man, at least not yet, I know little about him. I don't think the fact people hadn't heard of him till recently is necessarily a problem though. I know that Corbyn definitely isn't.

Pretty much where I stand now.

I've gone from pro-Corbyn to anti, just by watching him grow more petty. The mass deselection warning seals it for me. My local MP is actually wonderful, the best this area has had in living memory, the threat to deselect means I'll vote against Corbyn now.

I'm in the corbyn out camp too. I have nothing against his politics or him personally but it just hasn't worked. whether it's because of his lack of ability (perceived or real), PLPs meddling, media bias, backers with differing political aims, etc doesn't really matter. What really matters is that his brand in the country is now set, it's done, it hasn't worked, everyone needs to move on.

/negative

https://twitter.com/momentumtrumpt1/status/756409978022428673

I'm going to vote Smith if nobody else comes along but I'm not confident he'll win.

If Corbyn remains I'll seriously have to consider leaving the party. I don't want to do that but I don't want Corbyn as leader in my name and I don't want to fund him either. As @dst says it's nothing personal, it just hasn't worked and isn't going to and I don't see the point of being in a political party which isn't seriously working towards government.

^^ Lots of people feel similarly. But the only thing being put forward by the anti-Corbyn side seems to be the same arguments/attacks. Smith, importantly, is moving away from this and doesn't have the baggage Eagle does. But those who don't want Corbyn need to do more than keep reiterating that he can't lead and can't win an election. Especially as it seems mathematically unlikely Labour under anyone's rule will be able to win an election in 2020.

I think you can like Corbyn and his politics/principles whilst still wanting him out. In the eyes of a large part of the public (not necessarily those who follow politics, labour party members, etc) there must be something wrong with him because so many of his MPs wanted him out.

It may or may not be his fault but ultimately the PLP have cast enough doubt on him to make people question him.

Similar with the press, it may not be his fault that he's received a lot of bad press (although his refusal to pander to the press probably hasn't helped, look at how pissy journalists got when the England team didn't speak to them) but it's happened and there doesn't appear to be any plan to recover from it.

from the internet.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

is pretty much it for me right now.

Which pretty much tells you why New Labour was invented in the early 90s....

The more I read about Corbyn's leadership style, the more doubts I have.

But I still think the plotters acted in a ridiculous and self-serving way, and I would hate to do anything that gives Hilary Benn, Blair and Mandelson some kind of credibility.

Now voting for the Labour leadership has started to reflect voting in general elections - voting for the least worst option and knowing you're fucked either way.

Something I feel we're all learning here is that Tories can all get behind "let's make some fucking money" and the opposition can't work out what to get behind because there's a lot of different opinions on how to not be the Tories.