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Yeah I've always wondered what the difference between 'entryism' and 'conversion' is.
Easy.
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This clearly shows how polarising Corbyn is, nobody even abstained in the vote on him. You can see how Angela Eagle is a moderating influence given the number of abstentions.
Also amazed to see that since being suspended the Corbynistas in Brighton have already founded a new colony for their mischief. Will they stop at nothing?
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"New Brighton" isn't anywhere near Brighton.
You don't say. :)
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For those who had further questions/criticisms of the media report I posted a link to a few days ago, here's more info: http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/Mainstream-Media-Representations-of-Jeremy-Corbyn.aspx
The full report available here: http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report-FINAL.pdf
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Owen Jones wrote a chapter on outrageous media bias in his book The Establishment. Chapter called mediaocracy. Powerful if depressing reading supporting Corbyns unjustified character assassination by established media to maintain the status quo in what is allowed to be stated in political debate (Overton window)
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This is popular on Twitter at the moment
https://medium.com/@matatatatat/the-terrifying-hubris-of-corbynism-6590054a9b57#.k85n2vejk -
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It's an interesting piece, thanks.
One thing that it does, which I think is worth noting, is completely reverse the narrative of the "Corbinista" - rather than a cabal of infiltrators, they're "click-bait activists" with no ties to actual politics. They rarely show up to meetings and have little real interactions with the party. I don't know which narrative is correct (well, obviously there's a bit of both), but it's interesting.
Also, the argument that it's a movement of belief rather than thought seems counter to my experience - it's the policies that attract people to the left. It's the middle that seems incapable of pulling together a coherent set of policies and arguments to take the Labour party forward. But again, there's probably something in the middle of these two positions that's more accurate.
This:
If Theresa May were to call an election in the next few months against a Corbyn-headed Labour party that is barely functioning, the polls indicate an increased Conservative majority, alongside the real possibility that UKIP could finally make a parliamentary breakthrough.
is not true according to yesterdays polls. The Tories would lose seats and fail to hold a majority. Of course, that's what the polls said in 2015 as well, though.
When it comes to moving forward it's good:
For all the conservative tenor of the present moment, the divisions of Brexit and the fact that boundary changes have not yet taken place does open up the possibility that a competent Labour electoral campaign aimed at the 48% (as well as those who voted Leave but are now wavering — or will be once a recession hits) could achieve a hung parliament — especially if a ‘progressive alliance’ agreement prevents a split in the left/liberal vote in Tory marginals.
This is my hope.
There is as yet no evidence that Corbyn is willing or able to run such a campaign.
Nor that anyone in the PLP will. I emailed my MP about this about two weeks ago and have yet to receive a response.
What, then, is to be done? There are no easy answers. But for a first step, all of those who have joined Labour over the past year should perhaps put their efforts into campaigning for Proportional Representation. It is only by getting rid of the farcical imbalance of FPTP that a Corbynist-style party has any chance of power (even if only as a minor partner in a coalition), and it would be far more effective in concrete terms than the membership reaching a million. Corbyn himself has had little to say about this issue, but McDonnell and Clive Lewis have intimated that a deal with the SNP, Greens, Lib Dems, Plaid Cymru — and perhaps even UKIP — could be a possibility.
Agree. But again, it's not just Corbyn who needs to get behind this.
Secondly, the idea that Corbyn retaining the leadership is worth a Labour split (before any implementation of PR) has to be rejected outright.
This conclusion is begging the question. Corbyn is not alone in this. His supporters are not alone in this. A party split requires, at least, two parts. The logic of this argument works just as well in the other direction: because a split is possible Corbyn's detractors must go (not in the sense of splitting, obvs.), or get behind him.
As has become clear, there is no easy solution.
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"entryism" is joining a party in the hope that the presence of yourself and other like minded entryists can change that party to suit your views, and force out those with whom you disagree.
"conversion" is joining a party because you have realised for the first time that they represent your values, either because your values have changed, or because your values did not previously have a party that you felt represented them.
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Has anyone effectively challenged the assumption that the majority of post-referendum joiners are Corbyn supporters?
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The "gay, working class..." bit made me cringe, I honestly dont give a fuck if she's gay, but this:
"If centrist Labour members are “Tory scum”, then what of the hard-up pensioner who is uneasy with immigration in his community? What of the hi-tech chief executive donating to charity, the underpaid waitress saving to go to Ascot, or the many other category-defying voters out there?
As a progressive party of principle we must reach out to all. We have an imperative to locate the shared values we have with someone tempted by Ukip or a Tory swing-voter, and to persuade them – not just because it’s the only way we’ll win power, but because it’s the right thing to do."
is bang- on. I'm not sure about her chances against Jezza though.
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If the labour party read "uneasy about immigration" as "racist" every time, they have lost half the country. More than half. Corbyn and his bubble either don't realise this, or dont care, because they'd rather be in opposition anyway.
The same applies to "voting tory anyway". We need to win over swing voters, not write them off. Writing people off is lazy.
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Win then over by not being cunts and have the not cunty people vote for you, not by being a little bit cunty to attract the voters who are cunts.
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Cunty jobs for cunty people!
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Why? WHY? Why not explain to people your viewpoints and arguments, and stick to your principles? Why should Labour politics always be about pandering to unsavoury ideologies just to hoover up some votes? Is politics only about getting into power? Are there no ideals to strive for? Is making yourself more like the Tories or UKIP the only way to get into government? Why not try and educate people about immigration, about inequalities and excessive executive pay, about animal cruelty of horse racing, and try to raise the level of debate beyond a sound bite or frothy engagement. Corbyn has tried to do those things. Angela Eagle has nothing, absolutely nothing
to offer.
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Yeah that's probably fair. I find it difficult to be consistent and fair on this because the whole thing makes me feel very conflicted.