EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Republic of Ireland cannot afford NI atm. Unfortunately we are too reliant on handouts atm. The EU brought funding for tourism, and Invest NI tries to attract USA companies as the workforce here is well educated. Onwards and upwards, right?

But if that falls away due to brexit and the UK undercutting the NI corporation tax, things don't look good at all...

ROI cannot be forced to accept NI (maybe if GB is willing to pay loads instead of the block grant AND the EU helps in 20-40 years who knows) and a unification relies on a border poll.

Westminster can just financially mess the place up though.

Do you really think the UK government is going to hand Northern Ireland back now? After everything?

The commitment under the Good Friday Agreement means that if there is a majority Irish will, they won't have a choice.

Arguing the point that freedom of movement (for labour) is economically bad for the richer countries in the mix is a very long way from saying keep the foreigners out.

I'm all for people being able to go where they like but why should you be able to just rock up and take a job, start a business, undercut an industry, etc..

Letting anyone do anything is Darwinian.

I'm all for people being able to go where they like but why should you be able to just rock up and take a job, start a business, undercut an industry, etc..

You'll need to define how any of those three things are events that lead to negative economic outcomes.

So do you think that people who want to come to the UK should buy existing businesses and build them from the UK?

Undercutting is part of business. Heavy industry has fallen to bits in the UK because it simply cannot compete.

Because resource is finite.

As an employer, wouldn't you take someone that's going to cost you less?

I don't think anything should be so prescriptive but I do think the host country should be able to decide who and what it wants in exchange for domicile.

I expect this from every international relationship we have, home and abroad.

Can someone tell me why this is bad? I'm happy to be made a fool of.

I'll say what I've said before on this.

From the perspective of Europeans, there is no "take a job". If a country is part of the EU, they have the right to apply for any job advertised there. By extension, anyone from that country can go and apply for any job in another country. If we, as the British, choose not to go to somewhere like France, Hungary, Spain or Germany to apply for jobs, that's same as someone from the Pyrenees choosing not to apply for a job in the Alsace.

As for starting a business or undercutting an industry, same rules apply. Plenty of British people have undercut other British people in business and industry so why shouldn't they get a fair crack at the market. Afterall, we're quite happy to have American and Indian people turn up and start businesses and undercut industries. We even fall at our feet to offer them tax breaks and preferential treatment. Oddly, the people who get labelled as immigrants are the ones who're a lot less likely to shit on us economically. We already let anyone do anything, just as long as rich and promise to act as a net exporter of wealth.

I wouldn't. I would take on the person that offers the best overall value to the existing business model. That doesn't always mean the cheapest person.

Do you really think the UK government is going to hand Northern Ireland back now?

NI is not a piece of your property for you to decide what to do with. That sort of thinking has been causing the odd local issue for the last 800 years.

Because resource is finite.

What "resource"?

Another idea is of course:

Proper socialist / communist state
Everyone welcome
Nearly everything state owned/collective owned

But Vietnam moved somewhat away from that, is now trading with the EU and has a poor human rights record.
Cuba? Laos? Have their issues too.

So then you get anarcho-socialism, or what the socialist party UK proposes which might work. Maybe. Perhaps one town at a time...

I thought the Land Tax sorted out the in-built advantage of our continuity land-owning aristocracy?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_George

Granted, but ostensibly you'd always try to take the best possible cost option.

Arguing the point that freedom of movement (for labour) is
economically bad for the richer countries in the mix is a very long
way from saying keep the foreigners out.

So you're just saying that freedom of movement is bad for the richer countries?

You don't actually think it shouldn't be allowed yourself?

That's not what I meant - as @JWestland says it would be up to Ireland too.

I can see it would be advantageous for the Brexiteers if Ireland was one homogeneous, non-UK country but is that really on the cards? Genuine question, I'm no Ireland expert.

Freedom of movement to a richer country is bad for the poor people of the richer country.

I think that's the point being made.

Also, people leaving poorer countries to go to better countries leaves the poorer country worse off.

Watch doctors leaving the NHS for commonwealth countries.

While nurses from commonwealth countries move here.

Gove gone

I can see it would be advantageous for the Brexiteers if Ireland was one homogeneous, non-UK country but is that really on the cards? Genuine question, I'm no Ireland expert.

Absolutely not - it's NI, it's always way more complicated than that. There's laughable logic in this 'NI voted Remain so they'll leave the UK to it' argument that we're seeing in the media. It's in no way comparable to Scotland. The idea that either side in NI would give up on centuries of shitting in their own beds rather than work to any accommodation that's equally good for all sides is daft. Loyal Orange Lodge marchers voting to join the priest-ridden Free State for the sake of cheaper petrol? Engrained mutual hatred is far stronger than any love for the EU.

the reunification of Ireland

This would presumably come after a referendum and end the Good Friday agreement. The result would be incredibly devicive and may be detrimental to peace.

NI just needs to Remain as much as is possible.

I assume any referendum would be to the people of NI only?