EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

https://vimeo.com/172932182

The UK has to transition to a service economy while not leaving people behind as it does now.

But the elephant in the room of the "not academically minded" who don't see opportunities in the EU while seeing workers come in from the EU then has to be addressed.

Answers on a postcard? Or the LFGSS education volunteering corps, how to be successful and do mad skidz ;)

Interesting, so austerity in the uk was due to the EU, you learn something new every day don't you.

I think her point was that the EU imposed austerity at least as harshly as the UK government which reinforced the practice as being legitimate.

Every Labour MP should watch that video.

The right leaning ones should then defect to the Lib Dems and then we would probably get a lib-lab coalition at the next election. Either that or 620 Tory MPs.

TBH I'm not sure productive manufacturing is the way we should be going. Competing against countries where life is cheap is never going to get us anywhere except back to pre-EU levels of wages and ridiculously long working hours.
Thatcher was right in investing (time, money and effort) in the financial sector, let's just hope that London isn't too badly affected and as a Country we can still reap the rewards of her legacy.>

You're lack of imagination is vivid! If you can't compete at the bottom of the market invest in emerging tech.

We are reaping the rewards of her legacy: under-regulated financial products brought down banks and excused the hollowing out of the state via 'austerity'.

The UK has to transition to a service economy

No country or society can exist on a service economy only. I thought there were encouraging signs in recent years that that aspiration is fading. We need skilled trades (and there are always unskilled jobs that need doing) and a positive outcome of the Brexit undercurrent would be if we actually resourced training properly and encouraged young people who wanted to go into skilled trades, rather than perpetuating a misplaced snobbishness. This might eventually lead to less need for trades to come from abroad.

Thank you.

There's plenty of skilled tradesman in this country who are brilliant at their jobs. The problem is, the Great British public prefer cheaper imported 'talent', ironic isn't it?

I was one for over 20 years and glad I got out. What imported talent is willing to work for cash in hand makes being a tradesman difficult in my area any ways.

These people also vote Trump in the USA. Same reasons. Deprivation. Jobs going. No opportunities brought there. Old identities lost.

Bernie Sanders offered a possible way out, but others decided they rather have Hillary or Trump. If we end up with the Tories, same issues the lady is (rightfully) addressing are going to get worse.

What is the link the EU has imposed austerity? As these issues have persisted in mainland EU for decades, it's the lack of wealth sharing and not being able to deal with a global economy.

Nope, that wasn't down to her, that was down to the greedy public living waaaay beyond their means.

Wow.

We need skilled trades (and there are always unskilled jobs that need doing) and a positive outcome of the Brexit undercurrent would be if we actually resourced training properly and encouraged young people who wanted to go into skilled trades, rather than perpetuating a misplaced snobbishness.

Yes I agree, but what is left? Other countries can produce cheaper. The Netherlands is doing OK atm and is mostly services. But of course the financial service industry has nothing to offer to people jobs wise for those who don't want years of study. So all that money goes nowhere.

Unless the UK wants to introduce some form of protectionism, for which it has to leave the EEC AND we all buy more local which costs more (if that's the case, so be it, I started buying food direct from the farm). The Greens England proposed this, along with some nutty other measures...

As long as businesses are willing to undercut people to get cash in hand workers (see also the Netherlands and Polish workers, my parents had one to paint their house and his Dutch contact wasn't very nice at all too him! I think they ended up paying him a bit more) and we are not willing to pay full whack it won't change.

But perhaps other countries have found a solution, somewhere. It's a crisis in many areas, I can't imagine there's no solution out there in this big world :)

*brexits thread*

Quite simple really. Get off your arse and retrain in something that is sought after by employers. The areas that were affected by the mining and steel industry declines were offered millions of £ in opportunities to retrain. If you don't like where you live, move. This country offers flexibility other countries are envious of. Indonesians, Malaysians, Indian etc would love to have the opportunities we Brits are given.
But as a nation we seem to prefer to bitch and moan rather than do something about what we're bitching and moaning about.

TBH though I'm glad I'm around to see what's going to happen next, politics has just got exciting.

I didn't know that.
The general perception is that we need to import skilled trades as there aren't enough here, exacerbated by cutting numbers of apprenticeships and training for years. Not true?
The public will always prefer cheaper, I'm not sure it's ironic...

Nope, that wasn't down to her, that was down to the greedy public living waaaay beyond their means.

I'd argue governance has a role in ensuring the sale of financial products is close to ..... sane. See 2007 for details.

Skilled tradesman? In the UK?

Wow what? If there was no demand by the end user for dodgy mortgages, then there'd have been no dodgy mortgages to bring down the banks.

And you think there's no dodginess in manufacturing? Really, you're that naive?

When I was an apprentice, it was normal practice for sales reps to get their customers pissed, supply them with hookers / strippers and envelopes of cash. It wasn't even hidden in them days, it 'just the cost of doing business'.

Financial product are regulated. They weren't regulated well. We all paid.

Whether or not you, I, or a sales rep's stripper wants a mortgage isn't really here nor there.

Ironic because the general consensus is that where I live (and I'm hearing no different when chatting to peers) is that immigrants were the main reason to vote out. Yet these same people brag about how cheap they can get immigrants to rewire a house or certified gas work or decorating etc etc.

Eh? Supply and demand. From what I've seen, read and heard; the whole banking shit in 2008 was down to shitty low value lending on sub prime mortgages world wide and then off loading it onto others.

Supply and demand has to operate within a framework of law, be it in the uk or us. That law was shaped by politicians with ideologies.

As somebody retraining herself (admin just pays shit) it's easy to say, but hard to do if you are:

Depressed (some people feel hopeless)
The environment is shit (chavs, arseholes, being looked down upon)
There's no funding (hi Tories)
Moving home (to what? nobody needs steel workers, some people have families)

So while I agree it's the smart thing to do, it's not easy at all.
Deprived areas also can suffer from chronic undereducation, such as parents that can't read properly themselves.

[I am agreeing though some people just bitch and moan, but even those that WANT sometimes need a hand up. And a little luck. And a network. It's the same for me!]

True, but laws are broken by all sectors of society. They got caught out and laws were reformed from lessons learnt, as I originally said - this wasn't down to Thatcher. The way she changed our fortunes was visionary and hasn't been changed much by the left or right governments since.

The shit that happened, as a result of our own greed, was down to corrupt narcissistic individuals who broke the laws.

I agree it is hard work. I'm the same as you, I retrained and no it wasn't easy but the opportunity was there. Retraining and being socially mobile is one of the things I'm grateful for. If I didn't live in the UK I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have had the opportunity for either.