EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

I'm not surprised!

They've probably thought about it but decided there's nothing new they can bring to religious war in NI.

the most ironic thing about this entire shabby affair is the thick arseholes bleating about how 'they want to take control back' appear to be entirely unaware that by doing so, all they're effectively doing is handing control to a shower of frothing, right wing cunts who won't so much as stop for a breath before they set about fucking over working people, the disabled, the poor on an industrial scale... we're fucked aren't we? the morons are going to win it. dish face got us into this, he's fucked it and labour will cop the blame.

vote tory? give yourself a fucking hand, you daft cunts.

where's that meteor?

sadly I think ^ this

just had the misfortune to listen to priti 'let me be completely clear about this' patel on the wireless - a vacuous know nothing CAT 5 fantasist who is incapable of offering any sort of post EU prognosis that isn't based entirely on wishful thinking. and it doesn't fucking matter.

jesus this is bleak.

jesus this is bleak.

Yep. Cameron should be castigated for putting something as complex and nuanced as Britain's membership of the EU to a referendum. He took a gamble purely to serve the interests of his divided party and, unfortunately, it looks increasingly likely that gamble has failed. Any hope he had of his time as PM being recorded well in the history books will be overshadowed by this.

The goons who vote for Brexit are also likely to be the ones most affected by the consequences. Talk about Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Meanwhile the Labour Party needs to work out how it responds to the views of it's traditional supporters to immigration, because ignorning them has failed.

Greenhell nails it.

To break it down:

Parties in favour of remaining: Conservative (surprisingly, although membership split) Labour, Lib Dems, Greens, Plyd Cymru, SNP, SDLP, Alliance and Sinn Fein .

Parties in favour of leaving: UKIP, BNP, National Defence League, National Front, Britain First, Communist Party, TUV, the Democratic Unionist Party.

I just don't think the hard left or far right are going to make ANYTHING better for ANYONE.

Europe is far from perfect but it's a great safety net against a pack of awful cunts.

Meanwhile the Labour Party needs to work out how it responds to the views of it's traditional supporters to immigration, because ignorning them has failed.

you're not wrong - however the fact that immigration fears have been whipped up by these brexit tits as a way of diverting attention from disastrous tory policies and providing a lowest common denominator a narrative upon which shitstains like gove and johnson can hitch their cuntwagon has made the debate somewhat less rational than it ought to be.

apropos...

I knew it, and you were trying to blame the Tories. Shame on you.

Richard Murphy - http://www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2016/06/14/what-if-the-uk-votes-brexit/
Owen Jones - http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/10/working-class-britain-brexity-betrayed-labour-vote-leave

It's properly Trumpism. It's clearly "up yours!" to those in power, after YEARS of being fucked over, after being ignored by the party that's supposed to represent them.

Sauntered along to my local Residents Association meeting 6 weeks ago.
Outer north west London suburb. Average age: Retired.
The MP, Nick Hurd, (son of Douglas, fellow Bullingdon Club member with CallmeDave and Boris), had retired from Minister status to spend more time with his new wife, but was pulled back in as Minister for International development after Grant Shapps was caught lying one time too many. Main topic HS2, (Ruislip will be second most damaged residential area after Camden).
Audience only roused from docility when twice questions from the floor asked about the Referendum. Realised I was surrounded by Tories before I entered, didn't realise they were pretty much all petty minded proto-kipper brexitteers.

probably a pea but amusing nonetheless. features jazz cigarette enthusiast obiwan chernobyl.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptfmAY6M6aA

vacuous know nothing CAT 5 fantasist who is incapable of offering>

Exactly this. Unless you're rich practically whatever reason you have for voting to leave, you're not going to get that in the market driven utopia that Boris et al will implement...

Also, alcohol is forbidden... and they'll get some fightback they rather won't like...rumors of Semtex and AK47s buried aren't probably all drunk talk ;)

Joking aside, Belfast isn't an interesting target ATM, the Muslim community is small so it's hard to radicalize people and this religion war is kept going by the same things Westminster is fond of: Segregated schooling.

Parties in favour of remaining: Conservative (surprisingly, although membership split)

Having the membership split means that they will win, irrespective of the outcome of the vote.

If Exit win, we're stuck with an entire Parliament that wants to stay, apart from a few rabid fucknuts who will tear the Tories to pieces. There'll have to be another general election by the end of the year, and lord knows what this lunatic electorate will do then.

^ well that's not made me feel any better about this! if anything, it's made things worse.

It also means that they will lose, irrespective of the outcome of the vote.

Actually they stand to lose a bit more with Brexit than Bremain.

With Brexit the leadership will be called into question which sets up a challenge to the position of PM right on the anti-node of the election cycle. Boris seems to be played as the automatic successor but I don't think he has enough internal support. Either way a change in PM pretty much demands a General Election. There's also a risk of defection to both the left and the right weakening the power base in the commons.

With Bremain, it will still be close and there's the risk of defection again but, this time, only to the right. Not enough to question the majority but enough to curtail the current party momentum. The leadership won't be in question but given where we are in the divide, Cameron's authority has already been eroded with means the party's authority has been eroded. If a voice like Blair were in the opposition, Labour could make this a gravy train all the way to the next election. Alas the only cheap boon to the Conservatives is Corbyn.

In reality, the only people who stand to win with this referendum are the parties to the right of the Conservatives. They'll finally have a number to work with, a big one. A number that they can apply to any argument that they care to make. Even if Bremain gives them a minority, they'll be able to play the numbers to make it a majority of British people.

Except not really. I mean, there's an awful lot of certainty in what you say, and yet it's still mostly supposition.

I don't claim, by any stretch, to know the motivations of the tory leadership, other than not thinking them dumb enough to expose themselves entirely, irrespective of their callousness and venality.

I do see the wingnuts are being legitimised though.

Is EU literacy a part of the education system in the UK at all?

That probably depends on what you mean by EU literacy

dude we don't even have decent sex education, do you think they would educate schoolkids about the EU in a fair and objective manner?
It's all monarchy, war, and shakespeare..

It's all monarchy, war, and shakespeare..

That's what made Britain Great

Michael Gove was Secretary of State for Education for most of the last parliament, what do you think?