EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

People are so predictable...they shut the door after they're in.
Sometimes it makes sense in a way if you see your wage being undercut all the time. But if you did the same coming in, well... ;)

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/09/arron-banks-leaveeu-may-challenge-extension-of-voter-registration-deadline

" “We believe it is unconstitutional at best and have been advised that with legitimate cause we could challenge this extension."

Hah

whut?

The campaign constantly complaining about the 'undemocratic EU' takes issue with this because it's about allowing people to vote?!

And now our irony meters are broken, but they're EU made so we can't get new ones soon... :)

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/jun/10/no-single-market-access-for-uk-after-brexit-wolfgang-schauble-says

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/british-nazi-filmed-spectacularly-failing-to-burn-eu-flag-in-protest-against-forced-immigration-10141197.html

Flag wont burn due to EU fire safety regs.

Someone said to me that their position was 'neutral' as regards europe. I guess they meant they didn't care, weren't sure, or in some other way fell between both camps. It did make me think - isn't the neutral position to remain? It's doing nothing as opposed to doing something.

I can't shake this feeling that there isn't enough onus of responsibility placed with the Brexit camp to prove that we should be changing the current situation to something different, unknown and un-tested.

Anyone one watch question time yesterday and was really dissapointed with Eddie izzard, a guy I've long admired and seems like his sole purpose was to wind up Farage until he snapped which didn't really happen.
I would have preferred a civilised debate with facts. He's a very clever guy but all he kept on going on about has farages German and french ancestry.

Izzard is too used to speaking to a captive audience that doesn't answer back.

True ^

The remain arguments and campaign have very strong points they don't need a cross dresser pointing fingers and shouting racist. If anything it'll swing some fence sitting tory types firmly into the Brexit camp.

I don't think people realise how much the EU gives in funding to charities and local services.

The general theme is that those considering voting for an exit from the EU is that they seem to have very little idea of all the ways in which the EU benefits them and will continue to do so in the future.

The EU is our safety net.

The current government won't even fund something as fundamental as the NHS or education services so I can't possibly imagine they'll continue to fund areas and services that the European Social Fund or the European Regional Development Fund do.

Cornwall for example, support Brexit yet are one of only two areas in the UK to receive convergence funding. I highly doubt a Brexit will increased funding and opportunities from our Government.

Are they under the impression that Boris will suddenly care about them?

I'm just finishing a work trip on the continent. A conference focused on the Benelux. I'm feeling seriously panicked about the future. These news reports from Marseille aren't helping.

A load of fat blokes that were sat on the sofa last week, unable to fight sleep, asking ISIS for a rumble? Amazing.

How late should I wait for my postal vote to come before I should be concerned ?

Not sure but I applied for a proxy because I'm going to be out of the country. Heard nothing so rang Barnet council who were useless but eventually said they have not had it. Sent it again yesterday recorded delivery

I think the remain campaign needs to try harder to argue it's case without implying the leave side are somehow ignorant or stupid. (I know there is negative campaigning from both sides.) It makes them angry, and the popularity of those like Farage feed on anger. Polling currently puts Leave slightly ahead. Boris is an asshole, but a clever and popular one. I think the Remain side needs an injection of charisma and patriotism to win back those who a) don't live in London and b) can't be arsed to read in-depth studies of the possible economic effects of Brexit.

The decision is an emotive one for many people, often quite tied up with the Queen and all that, and however silly that sounds, Remain need to engage with these people. If there is an out vote, it will not be because Leave won the argument on the economy, but because they appealed to a strong, if misguided, sense of British or English identity among the electorate.

https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/a-e4af-Beast-of-Bolsover-Im-voting-out#.V11dKHomFSD

Fair points. You have to respect people voting on principle though.

Well. If it's not "I hate immigration and keep Britain pure". Those are also principles I suppose :P

1. France will make our relationship with Europe hell if we leave! This could seriously impact our economy.

2. NATO will be weakened if Trump gets in, so we need to be tight with the rest of Europe to keep (Ras)Putin at bay.

3. Our stock exchange, which generates most of the county's income, will be decimated by the French and Germans if we leave the EU.

I was explaining the Brexit case to an American yesterday (if we leave, we get to keep everything we want and get rid of everything we don't, including all brown people), and his view was that this sounds unlikely to be true.

I then barked "Trump! TRUMP!" at him a bit, to even things up.

I've already had mine, and sent it back. Get in touch with your local council now.

Think this is behind a paywall, but for those who have access to the FT: http://on.ft.com/1PJc7i0

Paris is preparing a warm welcome for City of London bankers that it says will have to move to the continent if the UK votes to leave the EU next month.

“We will be rolling out the red carpet,” said Jean-Louis Missika, a deputy mayor of Paris, at the launch of a campaign on Wednesday to attract financiers to the city in the event of a Brexit.

Gave them a call, they said the docs had been sent on Friday so I can expect today/tomorrow. Very pleasant.

When somebody goes "I've atheist reasons for brexit"
I goes, as an atheist "What are they then?"
"Dangerous Muslim immigrants".

Yep, it's Monday people...

Lol. That's a strong non sequitur.

Considering the toll of extremist muslim attacks in NI is 0...

It's even more moronic in my book. (this is on an NI page)

The last person who voiced such views though the UK was full too, not expecting much in a way of understand each other here, but who knows...