• yeah I've heard a lot of stuff about rubbish paint jobs, but I'm not really bothered about that. It just seems like a good alternative to a caad/bowman/kinesis.

  • They made all the Tokyo fixed frames, both cheap and pricey. I wouldn't be at all surprised if they make stuff like the Brother framesets, track frames from small companies etc. I would say anything they describe as 'handmade' or otherwise premium will be totally fine, I'd be slightly more wary of their factor floor stuff but it wouldn't dissuade me from buying...

  • Ah didn't know the TF stuff was their doing. They post loads of pics of frames they do for people who buy direct and they all look pretty well finished. I'm really just not sure if I can wait for a decent second hand frame to come up on here tbh...

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