EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

Twat Cuntell and Nigel Garage in one post. Well done.

After a long and hard deliberation of the facts made available by both sides, and being utterly repelled by the negative campaigning and selective quoting of facts by both sides, I have decided.

The most useful thing to do in situations like this is to think, "What would George Galloway do?", and then do the opposite.

For this reason, I'm in.

You could, of course, replace George Galloway for Toby Young, if that made you feel any better.

It's weird as a Scot that voted 'out' that I want to be 'in' Europe. I think a lot of Scots feel more closely attached to Europe than the UK. Especially my cohort, early 30s and middle class.

It is not just me then.

That is the thing that gets me too, lots of MPs and MEp are carear politicians.

But if I hear one more 'invasion' of forin people I will go on a murder spree.

In.

Farage, Boris, Murdoch et al want us out for a number of spurious reasons such as "we need to take back control", so we'd trust the likes of them to pass this new magical control to us the people if we vote out? Pfffttttttt.

We're so much better off staying in and being even more Britishly irritating than ever before in an attempt to change the EU for the better.

Yeah like farage, an MEP and supposed to help the change...

If we vote out, we won't suddenly have a government headed by farage, Johnson and gove.
I'm voting in, but it's very difficult not to view this like a general election isn't it?

Unless the margin in favour of staying is ten points or more I doubt Cameron will survive the summer. If the vote is for out Boris will be in his place as soon as procedures allow.

Maybe. But maybe not.
And it's unlikely farage will get done kind of power out this isn't it?

Given his dislike for unelected power he will probably end up in the Lords.

The idea of siding with Gove and IDS is repellant.
Ditto Osborne and Cameron.
Doesnt feel like a general election to me, feels much more important and there are no safe seats.

Anyway I will be voting to stay in.

If we vote out, we won't suddenly have a government headed by farage, Johnson and gove.
I'm voting in, but it's very difficult not to view this like a general election isn't it?

If we vote out, Cameron will go, the Conservative party will be irredeemably split, and we're pretty much guaranteed a Corbyn government (maybe with SNP support).

If you vote in, Cameron will be lauded, he'll have isolated the right-wing of his party, and can cast himself as a modern centrist up against comrade Corbyn.

I'm terrified this is going to end up like last May's election - almost everyone I know on social media and internet forums and round where I live and everyone I talk to is all voting in - but the silent majority is going to vote with their racist, racist feet.

The conservative party has been split since John Major, that would not stop them all throwing their weight behind whichever of them surfaced after Cameron lost a vote of no confidence.
Boris has probably pissed off too many of them to effectively lead the party. Smart money says Osborn, Gove or May would end up as the next PM.

I can't imagine that Boris and Cameron don't have a side deal going.

If I were the ruling party and was obligated to hold a referendum, I would make sure that I won, whichever way the vote went.

Having key figures on either side of the vote means that they own both outcomes.

@bashthebox opposite, I feel like the silent majority will take default and remain

I like your optimism but having seen the way remain campaigners have been treated in the streets, I think that's quite optimistic. The level of ignorance informing people's vote is particularly high on this issue.

I was worried I'm not now - look at Scottish referendum - social media said it was inevitable, a landslide - British people are deeply conservative and don't like change

Are they also mainly a bit racist and isolationist is the question.

And a bit thick and unwilling/not able to think past their own immediate reactions.

maybe but common sense will prevail I think

That's true but which bit of change are they voting against? Are they against changing the status quo or the change that is happening/has already happened. One of the things that the referendum campaigns are exposing is just how racist Britain is as a country and how that bigotry is manifest.

If Britain are deeply conservative and don't like change then the perception that voting Brexit will stop the change that they currently don't like is going to have a big impact. The motivations around the Scottish Referendum were very different to this referendum. The vote to leave the UK was about not being plunged into the unknown. For a lot of people, they don't really know Europe and don't think they want to beyond a place you go to for a couple of weeks every few years with the clear prospect of coming back. They want the unknown to stop. To me the Scottish Referendum tells me we'll vote leave because, ostensibly, we're voting for the same thing.