• You basically can't buy the SRAM hydro groups for sensible money, virtually nowhere has stock and definitely not with the 165mm cranks I want. I like SRAM but they've overpriced/undersupplied themselves out of the equation unfortunately. This is a big argument for 105 (£79 for 105 165mm cranks, £240 for Farce 165mm cranks where they're actually in stock, LOL).

    I've tried a CdF with the HY/RDs and they were fine if perhaps a tiny bit underwhelming, but I've heard the stock pads are crap. I still need to try the RS685/BR-RS785 combo.

    I've ordered frame and forks because I wanted to spec the bike myself. The one I test rode was the 20 with Tiagra and HY/RD's and yes it was surprisingly slick, but Tiagra is not 105 (well it sort of is but 105 is sort of Ultegra).

  • Ultegra level hydros are only slightly expensive on bike24, better (looking) hood shape IMO.

  • Technically they're not Ultegra level because they're non-series like the RS685 ;)

    #shimanopedant

    Seriously though thanks I'd spotted there wasn't much in it and the different hood shapes, will try to cop a feel in the real* and see which I prefer.

    *(world)

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