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You basically can't buy the SRAM hydro groups for sensible money, virtually nowhere has stock and definitely not with the 165mm cranks I want. I like SRAM but they've overpriced/undersupplied themselves out of the equation unfortunately. This is a big argument for 105 (£79 for 105 165mm cranks, £240 for Farce 165mm cranks where they're actually in stock, LOL).
I've tried a CdF with the HY/RDs and they were fine if perhaps a tiny bit underwhelming, but I've heard the stock pads are crap. I still need to try the RS685/BR-RS785 combo.
I've ordered frame and forks because I wanted to spec the bike myself. The one I test rode was the 20 with Tiagra and HY/RD's and yes it was surprisingly slick, but Tiagra is not 105 (well it sort of is but 105 is sort of Ultegra).
Fox-
Ultegra level hydros are only slightly expensive on bike24, better (looking) hood shape IMO.
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You basically can't buy the SRAM hydro groups for sensible money.
Spot on, even on trade it's pretty expensive, it's also even more frustrating that the 10 speed hydro cost a bit more than the 11 speed version!
And Tiagra is fucking amazing, it's nothing like the old 4600, and the shifting performance is identical to 105, definitely shitload better than 105 5700, those old levers design were a fucking nightmare to work on sometime.
The R685 is pretty much DA despite being a non-series, so worth going for, and because the shifting performance is great, just throw in all 105 and it still feel like a high end groupset.
amey
edscoble
My advice is to go to a shop and try out the SRAM and Shimano hydraulic out in the road, I find them both equally great.
Having said that, I'm very happy with my 105/HY/RD set up, and only gonna change it once I can afford etap.
How come you didn't get the Genesis with the brakes you want? There's a Tiagra equipped one with HY/RD that work very well together and felt just like 105.