Doping

Same drug as Vorganov at Katusha. Didn't know it had been added to the banned substance list.

The 'grey area' of drug taking in professional sports people has been mentioned a few times tonight on twitter.
This is a drug that wasn't banned until Jan 1st, but is a cardiac/angina treatment. You can bet there's other drugs out there not on the banned list that are being taken because they have benefits to athletes. (That was an awful sentence; hopefully you can make some sense of it.)
I guess my point is twofold - firstly, where is the line in what is doping and what isn't? And secondly... fuck, I forgot the second point. Hmm. I guess one should just expect any top athlete to be permanently on the verge of crossing the WADA line.

The line is the WADA list, it's not grey it's black and white. Failing drugs tests is an intelligence test.

Well that's not true at all - the WADA list is always behind what the dodgy doctors can dream up for the performance enhancing edge.
Clearly, very obviously, taking an angina drug to get a performance edge is morally wrong. It's not legally wrong, so athletes take it. That bit before the WADA line, that's the grey area... but where do you draw the moral line?

Separate question is "should I take this in order to be able to perform in a way that I could not without it, even though it is not banned/illegal, or would taking that deliberate action put me over a personal, ethical line?"

e.g. Tramadol - Sky (and others) were alleged to be taking it when it wasn't banned, took a lot of flak. Same with PED use.

Separate question is "should I take this in order to be able to perform in a way that I could >not without it, even though it is not banned/illegal, or would taking that deliberate action >put me over a personal, ethical line?"

Well, beetroot gives you a fairly large edge. So does hypoxic training, so does sleeping in an altitude tent, so does training at altitude. Not too many argue against those things. Grey.

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beetroot gives you a fairly large edge. So does hypoxic training, so does sleeping in an altitude tent, so does training at altitude

In the olden days, people considered training to be tantamount to cheating. Gentlemen should test themselves on the field of play on the basis of their natural ability.

Beetroot? I had a spicy pickled baby beetroot a couple of hours ago (Tesco finest). What would that trim off my pb for a 10?

Eatin's cheatin'

Not until wada ban it.

Seppelt slashes Russian athletics again. Expelled coaches still involved in training athletes and even selling testosterone and whatnot. What a night

^in that Seppelt show they had a study showing 17% of over 4300 Russian athlete samples tested in 2015 were positive for meldonium.

Getting better and better; she was taking it since 2006 very shortly after clinical trials started in 2005 and she has lived in the US for god knows how long where it isn't even approved so how was she getting it?

It's not though. Because substances don't have to be listed to be illegal. Any drug, say a new steroid or blood doping substance, is illegal according to wada rules. They ban substances which fit the profile of a steroid, etc. So, basically, eat foods, stop taking dodgy supplements.

If it's food, you're probably safe, if it's some drug that's not specifically listed but is designed to say, build muscle, then you are in breach of wada and will fail a drug test if they detect it and you can't lawyer your way out.

Tramadol though is quite easy to argue as not a performance enhancer, unlike something that 'makes more red blood cells' or 'improves oxygen uptake'.

Large edge? Data please.
Anyway, food not drug.
Hypoxic training is also responder dependant so may have no/little effect and is also not a drug nor does it involve transfusion or other blood manipulation.
If you think training at altitude is potentially unethical, is training unethical?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/25847280/

Anyway, food not drug.

So are hash brownies :-)

There is no hard and fast dividing line between food and drugs

You're wrong though. That's a drug added to a food, like mum's famous heroin cheesecake.

Also, THC, not banned in endurance sports, only shit like archery, shooting where calm nerves is benefit.

That's a drug

How can you tell? Cannabis, Khat and Coca can all be consumed straight off the plant with no preparation, just like lettuce and tomatoes.

maria sharapova guilty of performance enhancing products

she has been taking the drug for many years a blood thinner ..... is this just cheating via the backdoor

wonder if she actually had a medical complaint that warranted taking the drug in the first place or has she just been using the medicine for it's enhancing duties ?

would be interesting to see a list of all the regular and prescription drugs athletes are taking to see what is being used by whom