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  • unjust, unfair and just plain wrong Tory policies. There is no effective opposition in this country at the moment, the Tories really would have free rein without European laws, which is pretty petrifying.

    Labour were just as bad, just a different flavour. EU membership predicated on the ECHR / higher courts is really a non-party political issue.

  • Do you mean overall? This place isn't the thread for it but no they were really weren't. I'm not talking about EU membership, I'm talking about overall outcomes. This Tory government has fucked over disabled people, junior doctors, people on benefits, gagged charities, etc. etc. ad infinitum.

    The EU has successfully moderated some of their baser instincts, discriminatory policies such as not giving prisoners the vote or restricting access to benefits for EU migrants. Outside of Europe there would be much less moderation of these dumb policies because the check of European law wouldn't be there.

  • Good point that. Don't forget how much money can be made out of dipping into the NHS.

  • Is there some way to empirically measure the moderative impact of the EU on domestic policy / legislation? I guess that would give an objective view on whether it's the Tories that are evil shitbags, or all governments that are evil shitbags.

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