EU referendum, brexit and the aftermath

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Fox
In for three fundamental reasons:
1. The mitigating effect of European law on unjust, unfair and just plain wrong Tory policies. There is no effective opposition in this country at the moment, the Tories really would have free rein without European laws, which is pretty petrifying.
2. Borders are fundamentally wrong and a bad idea. The world would be a much better place with without borders. Borders create suffering, such as all the people who have drowned in the Mediterranean over the last few years. They are arbitrary ways of delineating people which don't really stand up to scrutiny, so the closer we are to the rest of the EU the better. As a few people have said in this thread, it works both ways too.
3. Maybe all/most of us can't remember it but WWII really wasn't that long ago. The European Project has never been just about securing prosperity, it is also about securing peace. Taking peace for granted is truly idiotic.
Also has anyone actually looked at the Leave.EU website? The UX is horrendous, you have to click to enter it. LOL.

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NotThamesWater in reply to @Fox

unjust, unfair and just plain wrong Tory policies. There is no effective opposition in this country at the moment, the Tories really would have free rein without European laws, which is pretty petrifying.

Labour were just as bad, just a different flavour. EU membership predicated on the ECHR / higher courts is really a non-party political issue.

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Fox in reply to @NotThamesWater

Do you mean overall? This place isn't the thread for it but no they were really weren't. I'm not talking about EU membership, I'm talking about overall outcomes. This Tory government has fucked over disabled people, junior doctors, people on benefits, gagged charities, etc. etc. ad infinitum.

The EU has successfully moderated some of their baser instincts, discriminatory policies such as not giving prisoners the vote or restricting access to benefits for EU migrants. Outside of Europe there would be much less moderation of these dumb policies because the check of European law wouldn't be there.

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