Tubs

I've done all of the above and it's still leaking. I can pump it up to 40 psi and push the valve up into the rim so perhaps it is now effectively tubeless. I'm giving up with it anyway, I doubt I'd trust it to race on it either so it's probably a bit pointless trying to repair it.

Anyone tried out the G+ Vittoria tubs yet ? Wondered if they're any more durable than the older Corsa Evos

Tempted to get a tub wheelset for my posh bike as I really like the ride of a supple tub.
However I've had poor reliability from Vittoria tubs in the past - the old 320tpi Corsa Evos got cut to shreds by glass after 300miles. Used Conti Sprinters and Sprinter Gatorskins and they're much more reliable, but to be honest I can't really tell them apart when riding from a clincher.
Also, now most tyre/wheel companies are moving to larger tyre and rim sizes, I'm not sure I'd notice the difference between a supple tub and a 25-28" clincher at lower pressure to be honest.

Keen to know this as well. They are well pricey.

My mate just glued some up. Hes coming off Schwalbe one, Veloflex carbon, Corsa CX, etc. So he'll have a good idea of the ride.

They came in fucking massive boxes. Like Wheel Box size. One tyre in each Box. From fucking Germany. Not sure about graphene, but the carbon footprint will be impressive.

I'm a bit of a princess when it comes to tyres.

I've ridden schwalbe one 25mm clincher on pacenti wide arse rims. Back to back With my Pave tubs on wide alu tubular rims. The tubs just felt nicer. Not loads in it. Paves have noticably stiff sidewalls. But if a pave tub felt nicer on a comparable Wheel. A softer tub would win hands Down.

I seem to have a lot of bad Luck With clinchers too. Tubs + a can of sealant, is a far better set up for me.

I don't know about the tub versions, but the open G+ Corsa didn't score much better than GP4000ii/One in either Crr or puncture resistance.

http://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/road-bike-reviews/vittoria-corsa-graphene-2016

But it does actually score better than the contis in every test. Sooooooo

I think there a bit of YMMV here. But Vittoras have proved to be an amazingly reliable tyre on Our roads. So hopefully the graphene is better as advertised.

Personally I'm tempted just to buy up Stock of the old isogrip corsa CX tybs while they're cheap.

Personally I'm tempted just to buy up Stock of the old isogrip corsa CX tybs while they're cheap

This. I've found some cheap(ish) Corsa and Corsa Speed tubs online, but I don't really wanna spend this TT season being a guinea pig for new tyres...

Bet Cronos or Records are still faster than these new ones.

I push my tyres most when I'm taking risks downhill, trying to Catch the Group that dropped me on the way up. So predictable grip is my main thing. Veloflex always did this brillaintly while riding Nice. When Vittora moved to isogrip I found them just as good, while being a smidge cheaper and longer lasting.

I think most of the hype was for improved toughness. While being a little faster.

Alough I commuted on 19mm records untill the carcass showed through without a single puncture. So YMMV.

http://cyclingtips.com/2016/02/tubeless-tubulars-set-for-road-debut-at-the-spring-classics/

descending Pico de Las Nieves like a pro

Massive dredge but wtf. You descended a 45km climb fixed? Brakeless? I found it hard enough with gears.

Nah that was the roadie. I have a horrible habit of becoming speedblind on long descents. I basically constantly get faster untill I run out of talent. Got all kinds of silly over 45km.

I do descend local Mountains fixed, 41:26, With a front brake. Its really easy to Control Your speed With Your legs. But on the longer ones you find Your thighs are mush when youre finished.

Things fixie skidders say >>>>>

Bet Cronos or Records are still faster than these new ones.

What is faster? Slower, of course, are unround or ill-balanced or poorly mounted tyres... overly narrow tyres on rough surfaces, tyres with poor grip and ,.. Filling a good tyre with a load of goop slows things.. But I'd be really hard put to believe anyone who thinks that on a good road a 23mm Veloflex Carbon is faster than a 23mm Vittoria Cora CX or a 23mm Continental Competition or ... In something like a mountain TT, of course, there are "faster" tyres.. These just trade weight for robustness.. Some track tyres make good single race tyres here but are slower than slow on the road--- nothing to slow down a rider than a defect. That is why fast tyres in Spring classics are FMB PRs, Continental Compeition ProTection, Vittoria Pavés ... and fast tyres in TT stages of the grand tours are Continental Tempos, Podiums and Sonderklasses.. Vittoria Cronos, Veloflex Records, ...

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I am going to give tape a go. Tufo? Or that fancy new effeto mariposa one?

Also do I have to make the rims spotless clean of glue before using tape?

So am I. Bought some being sold by Tekno on TTF
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/172054054016

did you die?

I've now had a chance to try the new Vittoria Magic Mastik, fitting some Corsa SCs on some 202 and 303 Firecrests. It's pleasingly easy to use. Give the rims a quick rub over with some wet'n'dry, then clean the tyre bed and the rims with acetone until there's no residue coming off on a paper towel. Then gloop the stuff on the rim, fit the tyre, pump it up, give the sides of the rims a quick wipe, and leave it for 24 hours. It's quite slippery stuff, so getting the tyre to centre on the rim is really easy, and it seems to give a good firm bond. I haven't ridden them yet, so it's possible that when I do there will be explosions and death by fire, but so far it's looking promising.

The biggest issue with switching to anything but old fashioned glue (Magic mastik, tape) for me is how/what to carry the spare tub?

My super tiny Elite Jet 130s which I carry as emergency tub spares aren't glued anyway, so if I ever do have to use them then they will be kept in place by a combination of air pressure and optimism. Can't be any worse than the 10 mile ride home on a totally flat clincher that I had a couple of weeks ago.

Tufo tape is a piece of piss, I doubt they have to be spotless, its soft and sticky, like a refresher bar that been left in the sun.

Something I've been wondering as I'm deciding on a chinese carbon wheelset (tubular vs clincher).

Is it possible to get a supple tub that has decent puncture protection, or does putting in a stronger puncture protection belt, increasing rubber etc stop the tub from being supple in the first place ?
If you do want a supple tyre, is it better to use 'open tubulars' with latex inners that are easier to sort when the inevitable puncture happens ? Especially if you can be 30-40miles away from home in the countryside ?