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god help america if that gets voted in

lots of rumours about palin nothing yet , Trump and Cruz both leading the polls and both are a nightmare and massive cunts.

I read this as Putin and just thought it was a shit joke.

ftfy

god help the world if that gets voted in

son of pigshit thick cunt = violent cunt

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/sarah-palin-s-son-track-arrested-domestic-violence-charges-eve-n499976

Track?

FFS. Hick name.

His 3 brothers are worse, Road, Recumbent and BMX

Tarck, surely?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-35372113

Meh, I've done that even after travelling frequently between UK and Canada and occasions in France. It's pretty easy even when you're used to changing. Did it in a car once. Made a left turn in Toronto into an empty back road with no parked cars. I was driving my friend home who had been drinking and he started freaking out a little because something wasn't right and he couldn't put his finger on it for a minute.

So. Yeah. Poppers.
It's OK if you're an MP who takes mind bending substances to expand their mind and bond better through sex, because then you can say something about it and possibly get a review. But what if it was a different drug?

It will be used to shut down sex venues though.
Which is worrying.

It's OK if you're an MP who takes mind bending substances to expand their mind and bond better through sex, because then you can say something about it and possibly get a review. But what if it was a different drug?

I thought it was quite positive that a tory MP had been honest about his use of the drug, and outspoken about the stupidity of banning it, in contradiction of his government. If it was a different drug, well, it might have been different. Maybe he didn't use a different drug. Not sure what you mean.

He may be an MP but he's also a gay man. Which I imagine is why he's taken poppers. It's not about trying to 'bond better during sex', it's about making anal sex easier.

It's very disappointing that the government has banned poppers, despite opposition from the gay community and expert testimony from drugs experts. This isn't some minority viewpoint, Stonewall was against banning them too.

To quote Keith Vaz: ‘The government recognises that representations have been made to the effect that poppers have a beneficial health effect in enabling anal sex in men who have sex with men.”

So they banned them anyway.

Haven't they also accidentally banned food, exercise, music, art, etc, etc as well ?

Yes I am aware he's a gay man.
What I found weird was, from what I heard on the radio, that because an MP said "this will directly affect me" a review seems on the cards.
And that drug x in sex is OK. But drugs y,z, and a, aren't.

It was the presentation of it. Drugs and sex are generally great. The language this MP used was "poppers are integral to bonding in gay sex" (that's paraphrasing but his words in one sentence were bonding gay sex and poppers). I would say it isn't just limited to gay sex. It affects all people who are into drugs and sex. It potentially criminalises many people, including legitimate business owners. I'm thinking of sex venues here. Saunas used to sell poppers, huge amounts. Now, people who use poppers in a legal sauna place the owner of the venue at risk of prosecution. Much like nightclubs and drug use, the law will target them.

I think this might have been my point.
The mp to say "this is a gay thing" missed the point. This is a civil liberty thing affecting anyone.

I can't even see a public health angle here. Banning drug sex, that'll really help bring drug sex and increased sti counts down.

I don't think a review is on the cards, is it? I can't find anything that says it is? MPs just voted by 309 to 228 against exempting poppers from the legislation so the democratic mandate is quite clear, unfortunately, so that would be odd.

If it is, it won't be because Crispin Blunt said he used them, unless it's as a result of the publicity that generated.

I agree with you on the rest, but to a degree poppers use among gay men is a practical aid to sex, whereas the other examples you're talking about could more legitimately be argued as a lifestyle choice. That's why I find that element particularly disappointing - to be blunt it's not like us gay men have any other option if we want penetrative sex, so to me this feels like active discrimination, voted on by a bunch of mostly heteronormative folk whose experience of anal sex is, I imagine, very limited.

This Guardian article is on the money:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jan/21/gay-men-poppers-legal-highs-bill

I'll be back. But not if I carry on cycling like this

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/12113305/Why-has-Arnold-Schwarzenegger-been-cycling-around-Edinburgh.html

Arnie contravenes pretty much every traffic law within 5 seconds :)

@fox yeah. That's what prompted me to realise "saunas. They're going to be a target".

It's fine Mike, living tissue over a metal endoskeleton.

So er, when does this psychoactive substances bill come into law? Just asking for a friend.

April 1?

drug sex

I think it's called chemsex.

I've not had poppers in ages. Is this going to be like the gay club version of the smoking ban where you could actually smell other people in clubs and it was awful.