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miro_o in reply to @anidel

You've completely misunderstood :-/

This is a zero degree stem:

Obviously is far too green but.....

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anidel in reply to @miro_o

Sorry, I didn't mean that the newer 0 degree angle stems should be read relative to the ground.

I meant that a normal quill stem was (probably) born at -x degrees (relative to itself) so that it'd be closer to 0 degrees relative to the ground.

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