Cycle lanes

You did make a fair point though...

Ok then, for reference:

So its too narrow so its shit by your comment that "it's not quite there" so:
-use the road, get beeped, put driver on ignore

Or just ride my bike in the way I see fit...

I just tried to give you some rep and got:

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to skydancer again"

Pfft.

I'll give you some instead :)

Get a cycle lane, you two.

Oh, hang on.

Hah

glad to see this is a live topic.
with members of parliament tweeting bout changes to the built environment and all we must be getting somewhere

hanuman you dont look like hanuman the monkey God?

I use this bit of road as my built in 'time insurance' stretch. On normal days when I manage to get myself out of bed on time I accept going slower at that point and use the cycle lane. When I'm running late I know I can shave a good few minutes off journey times by going along the road. Now I know who to look out for hanuman!

Saying that, when it's backed up as much as in that picture, and clear on the road, I do just nip out and use the road.
When it's clogged with motorists though, it's often just as quick to use the lane.

hanuman you dont look like hanuman the monkey God?

You haven't seen me from the front...

...Now I know who to look out for hanuman!

Yeah, say hello

well they could use the road
silly cyclists
silly cycle lane

That was my photo. :)

It filled up quickly, the point is that there's loads of cyclists using that route now, not that they can't use the road; which they did, Dansky. ;)

It's not the worst cycle lane in the world and it's for sure not the best but if I'm on it I know I'm going to be just rolling slowly behind somebody and sometimes I'm happy to do that. I'm not always wanting to negotiate the shit junctions on those sections of road either so happy to be in the lane and sacrifice some speed for a lazy ride.

That was my photo. :)

It filled up quickly, the point is that there's loads of cyclists using that route now, not that they can't use the road; which they did, Dansky. ;)

It's not the worst cycle lane in the world and it's for sure not the best but if I'm on it I know I'm going to be just rolling slowly behind somebody and sometimes I'm happy to do that. I'm not always wanting to negotiate the shit junctions on those sections of road either so happy to be in the lane and sacrifice some speed for a lazy ride.

Yep. All of the above

http://www.citymetric.com/transport/naked-streets-floating-bus-stops-and-how-cycling-infrastructure-can-endanger-blind-1327

This week one of the 3,500 blind and partially sighted people who live around Whitechapel High Street in London will step outside and attempt to reach their bus stop. To get there, they’ll find that they have to cross a lane of fast moving cyclists, over whom they have no formal priority and whose silent approach they are unable to detect. According to Transport for London’s (TfL) own research, only 15 per cent of cyclists will stop for them.

We have a street with those too, absolutely brainless planning.

That is a really nasty article in City Metric. The 15 percent figure is a dishonest rendering of the statistics, 77% said they slow down and give way, 15% said they had stopped to give way. We have not yet seen any casualty reports from these locations.
There are many thousands of bus stop by-passes all over the country, everywhere they have been building cycle lanes on pavements for the past 30 years. The new cycle by-passes on Stratford High street are badly designed, we are meeting with Transport for London next week to see how they can do them better.

And of course they work very well in the Netherlands.

. According to Transport for London’s (TfL) own research, only 15 per cent of cyclists will stop for them.

This seems to me to be a slightly strange inclusion. The requirement to stop is determined by signs or road markings, surely, of which there are none. So only 15% of cyclists stop to let people cross at an unmarked, informal crossing? How many drivers stop to let people do the same on a road?

It seems to me from this article that the biggest problem with floating bus stops (aside from the dangerously high kerbs) is that nobody has a fucking clue what to do with them, not even TFL?

I don't think it's a strange thing to include. Yes, there is no requirement to stop, and the floating bus stop basically assumes that pedestrians will be able to wait for a suitable gap in the flow of cyclist traffic, because not many cyclists will stop without being directed to. For the partially sighted or blind, this might be rather difficult.

And no, not many car drivers stop for pedestrians, but that's why we put zebras and Pelicans and stop lights up. The floating bus stops seem to assume we'll all just muddle through fine.

I think mainly the point is that they're a bloody stupid bit of design.

I think mainly the point is that they're a bloody stupid bit of design.

I think they're excellent with a proven safety record. The basic concept should be obvious to anyone who has had to play leapfrog with a bus.

So, we swap cyclists playing leapfrog with the busses with pedestrians playing frogger across the cycle lane?

i'm curious to see how this Whitechapel one works out, but I think that leaving the pedestrian/cyclist conflict unresolved does seem bloody stupid.

Edit - just seen @charlie_lcc posting above re the 77pc slowing to give way rather than stopping. That puts a different complexion on things, if the cycle/pedestrian conflict does actually resolve itself.

That's interesting re the 77pc stat. Do you have a link to that? I'll drop the editor an email (I know him quite well).

I've no great experience as I've only encountered them in low density environments but I am inclined to agree that they're a poor design.

It's not just about blind people either but people in general as their actions are infinitely more unpredictable when their out of a car than when their in one. Where I've seen pictures of floating bus stops, there always seems to be a wealth of space available for use. That to me begs the question, why is the bus stop floating?

Another design option would be to have the cycle lane continue straight on and a bus bay accessed across that lane. It's a slightly tricky case of risk exchange but I think it balances out in favour of the safety of both cyclists and pedestrians.

http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/14097931.Police_probe_death_threat_as_mystery_Bearsden_resident_threatens_to__execute__council_staff_over_cycle_path/?ref=twtrec