Stem shorter than 60mm

@dancing james @thross @Dillahunt those are exactly the type of criticism and explanations I was after.

I understand what you are saying and it surely it makes me think. There is only one point that I think it's been missed here very much likely because I didn't expressed myself well enough I suppose so please let me elaborate more to also try to take this thread a bit back on topic.

Without sounding too mean, simply asking your original question about getting a stem shorter than 60mm suggests you don't know enough about bike geometry/ergonomics to get the most out of a bike built from scratch. There are many, many OTP bikes out there that cover all bases of cycling, and you might be surprised to find that exactly what you are looking for already exists.

It's very much true that my current bicycle is not right for me, not because of the geometry but more because of the size (it's not that off though). I went to Cyclefit, got my bike fitting session, and comparing the values we highlighted all the problems it has in terms of sizing and we also took time to make all the possible adjustment to put the bike in a condition where I'm close enough to the position I should have while riding to have the right level of efficiency. We got very close with the exception of the distance from the saddle to the centre of the handlebar indeed. As explained it is something that it can easily achieved with a slightly shorter aftermarket stem. Yes the bicycle looks looks definitely too big for me now and it will possibly look even weirder after that.

At this point you might say: "Why don't you just change the stem then and stop buggering us?" Well I don't know, that's exactly what I was asking for in the first place, I still don't know how the conversation derailed to this point but because we got here, let me add that I'm trying to learn, I ride bicycles since ever, I rode any sort of bikes but a common dumb user, I never really got any close to be an expert or trying to understand them, I always rode them as mean of transport from A to B and I want to stop being that person, bicycles are more than that.

As I understand it, a custom frame is something you decide to get after riding many different bikes for many many miles. Its a distillation of, and a reflection of your devotion to cycling, not a thing you do simply because you have the money. I do not mean this to sound harsh - I was lolling because it struck me as funny that no-one quite knew how to tell you this.

Eventually we got there though. And yes you are right it's not just a thing you do because you have the money but I'm comparing this to my devotion to clothes and fashion. I bought several tailor made suits in my life, they are expensive and my taste for fashion changed as well as my body, I got fatter, I got slimmer, I ruined some of them... did that stopped me from buying more? No. Sometimes we just do thing driven by instinct and desire, because of the pleasure it gives us.