Functional bikes. Not Porn not Anti

The take out looks OK for a city bike, but I think it'll be a bit small and with the rack weigh a fair bit.

I don't have any mudguard eyelets so I've gone for a couple of these KCNC wheel QR screen things:
http://www.xcracer.com/shop/viewproduct.php?productid=235![]

(http://www.xcracer.com/content/products/kcncredknobM.jpg)

Personally, those bar bag are much better for bicycle that isn't designed for touring in mind.

Those bag and mount are surprisingly light (klick-fix system et all tend to be very heavy), and the small size force you to take what's necessary.

Sorry ed, not sure I fully understand you.

Are you saying that the PDW would be a better choice?

I would like to make sure I have a bit of room (obvs not tons) as I will probably just have a oversized saddle bag. I don't think it's likely that I'll be doing many other longish tours so I want to try and minimise what kit I buy.

Ah in my tired state I didn't realised you're comparing it to the PDW.

The BigXTop is stil a much better choices.

have we had this here yet? Kurtz bicycles from Hungaria, I like

website

The PDW weighs less than an Ortlieb bar bag! that's the basket and the bag.

Indeed, it's because the OrtLieb need to be overbuild to compensate hanging from a small plastic click on the handlebar.

My GB and steel Rando rack is a lots lighter and pack more in comparison.

One of the owners of Swift came into our LBS on his Elephant the other day; never gave a shit until I saw one in person. Holy hell!

Maybe I'm being daft or summat. Can someone explain why a click bag or the PDW is better than a basket and any old bag chucked in it.

Is it pretty much just aesthetics or is it down to practicality or other reason(s).

Ease of access while riding and weight might come into it.

Possibly the contents of the basket moving around as they are less well secured.

Both I can see as valid points. Thanks.

From my POV mounting a basket on a Giant TCR carbon fork using QR skewers is likely to be problematic. Mine is also small. Plus a bar bag has a clear top for maps etc.

As mentioned above, normal bicycle aren't designed for a heavy front weight that dramatically slow the steering down.

Those klick fix/swift or BigXTop mean you won't have to compromise.

Why aren't more people hyped about 650Bx2.1" disc cross bike adventure conversions?

Because it's 650b, it's still in a stage that you need to commit to the change.

Beacause 700c with 40c tyres is plenty enough?

Looking to do that between a Pinnacle Arkose or a Genesis CDF. Clearance options need to be looked into.

Any idea which pannier bags these are? I'm looking for something with more pockets/organisation than my current Ortlieb Citys offer.

All bags are from Swift i think.

Thanks dude.. found 'em:

Jr. Ranger Panniers from Swift Industries

However, despite looking ideal, turns out they're not waterproof so I'll have to give them a miss.

Also, I imagine it's pretty difficult to get Swift stuff in the UK?

I tried direct. Shipping costs made my teeth ache.

There's still a set of these on eBay, I'm pretty damn happy with mine...

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=121476142850

https://www.jandd.com

They look cool at least