Is it time to start calling out bad cyclists?

Lady rider wearing a Rahpa top cycled into me as I crossed the road this morning then preceded to have a go at me for being a ped. Always find when in the wrong shout louder. Not sure how it was my fault I looked both ways and behind me, saw her coming only no sign that she was planning on turning right, walked across the when boom straight into me.

After informing her that she should have put her arm out the shouting started, so I walked off, did noticed then we she set off and go to the end of the road she turn left again without using an arm.

In other shoddy indicating news, girl on a bike in front of me wobbles around in primary looking over her right shoulder in preparation for a right turn, there's a car waiting to pull out of the road she's about to turn right onto. Just before she turns, she limply points the index finger of her right hand down at the ground to her right for a split second, barely perceptible to me and I'm looking out for it. There's a gap behind me so the car is getting ready to go for it once I've passed. Doesn't realise the girl is turning right, clips her back tyre very slowly as she turns and he edges out.

The cries of "wtf are you doing" are always louder when both parties are at fault.

You see so many people barely sticking their arm out, what's wrong with a fully extended arm? Also useful to closeline moped users who speed up to close.

no point in indicating if you don't look over your shoulder to see if there's space for you to maneuver into. A big signal from what I've seen seems to infer that all traffic behind should slow and allow the maneuver whether it's okay to do so or not..

I don't know, the code says to indicate if safe, the way some ride I'm not certain them only have one had on the bar is really safe?

A rider in front of me this morning sailed through a red light and I stopped at the line. Car pulls up next to me and the passenger window comes down. The driver leans over and says 'pity you can't get your mate to stop at red lights too'. I look through the window to see him with his phone in his hand. My retort wasn't as witty as I would have liked, but he put his phone down and the window closed.

20 miles through central last night on a little jolly aboard my mtb.

Observation:
Shit cyclists should be forced to run 760mm bars like those fitted on my mtb*. The idea being you can't attempt to squeeze yourself through that gap that is likely to get yourself killed and you hang back a bit. The majority of those I saw out on bikes last night were idiots and i'm a little ashamed to be associated with them. Many, many RLJs too.

Obviously those who are well behaved I would permit to having narrower bars.

• Having 760mm bars does not make me a shit cyclist!
  

What?

Surely if you are not going to look over your right shoulder (which itself is a form of indication that you might wish to turn right) then you have a much greater need to indicate before turning right?

Are you advocating not signalling properly because lots of bad cyclists indicate properly? To a large extent indicating properly is what you do to ensure that there is a safe space to move into as the moment you indicate you are obliging everyone behind you to stay back and not overtake? (Obviously looking over your shoulder is a f'ing good idea too).

hopefully we can all agree that ideally everybody would do both

And that it's important not to get confused about 'infer' and 'imply'.

Check shoulder, signal, maneuver (if it's safe to do so).

If all you're doing is signalling (in a large and obvious manner) and maneuvering then you're abdicating responsibility for your actions and placing it in the hands of other road users, just the same as looking at your phone whilst stepping out to cross a road.

Full kit wankers...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaoy3sy2jZQ

When being a roadie and sprinting along some wide/multi-laned roads I have a bad habit of not removing my hands from the drops. In my defense I never pull out without making a massive gesture of looking over my shoulder and getting the attention of any car behind me. So far so good - probably because if there's a car I look three times before moving. I indicate on junctions and whenever safe to do so. I guess I do also acknowledge any driver with a wave if they have been stuck behind me.

Should probably get back to always indicating.

I'd have liked the two different riders yesterday up N London to have done something when weaving through lanes and to have not just rolled through every red.

I agree - that said any driver should be overtaking wide and at a decent, safe speed (meaning that the will not hit someone turning right unless they do it suddenly) or driving a safe distance back so that they do not hit an idiot who onl signals and does not check.

As an individual I try to cycle as well as I can and both signal and look, because not looking is dangerous. As a member of the cycling community I believe that signalling and moving slowly to the right without looking would be perfectly safe if ever driver drove as they should.

Sometimes the real world and the highway code differ. Not shoulder checking is suicidal in london traffic. Where is the common sense? As a member of the pedestrian community I try to look and comply, but believe that standing at zebra crossing staring at phone for couple of seconds it would be blah blah blah its friday

As a member of the cycling community I believe that signalling and moving slowly to the right without looking would be perfectly safe if ever driver drove as they should.

As a member of the cycling community I believe I can fly. I believe I can touch the sky.

The signal is an expression of intent to change vector, but does not grant the right to do so. For example when changing lane to just signal and then swerve into the lane would be ignorant/stupid/dangerous. There could be a driver who is driving with due care and attention and at an appropriate speed, just changing into the lane they are in would be to cause an accident. If this happened it would be unlikely that the driver would be found to be at fault. In exactly the same manner as someone driving along and just signalling and swerving into a different lane would be at fault, so would your hypothetical cyclist.

I would suggest it is the other way right round. Adequate checking and eye contact with drivers behind me often gets drivers to allow me to change into their lane, without me needing to signal.

I am not for one second saying don't check. And I totally agree that looking can negate the need to indicate. But I do think indicating clearly is a damn good idea, and I also know that on a normal road with one lane in each direction indicating right does give an driver behind you an obligation not to overtake. If you can see the oncoming road is clear, and you indicate clearly then wait a few seconds, then if everyone on the road is doing what they should you are safe to turn right without looking because it is a breach of the highway code to overtake a road user indicating right. Bad idea because being right is not much use if you're dead.

Changing lanes is different as I don't believe that you have any right to change lanes ever unless you have checked it is safe to do so - but we were talking about a right turn I thought.

You may need to change lane to make a right turn.

As a member of the cycling community I believe that signalling and moving slowly to the right without looking would be perfectly safe if ever driver drove as they should.

You may have signalled to the person behind you who slows down, but there may be a cyclists, motorcyclist or other road user behind them who has not seen you or your signal and who does not realise why the vehicle in front of the is slowing. Not knowing of your intention they may attempt an overtake.

Looking > signalling

Though ideally

1. Look
   
2. Signal if required
   
3. Conduct lifesaver check before making the turn
   

Where is the common sense

Jeez took it with him when he left.

653-7410 in reply to @cornelius_blackfoot

As an individual I try to cycle as well as I can and both signal and look, because not looking is dangerous. As a member of the cycling community I believe that signalling and moving slowly to the right without looking would be perfectly safe if ever driver drove as they should.

Eh?

Look
Signal
Look again
Apple crumble & Custard

What would Kwiatkowski do?

@653-7410 seems to advocate some very dubious cycling.