Vigils and Die-Ins.

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'Disruption is not violence'

Disruption is simply disruption. Nobody besides yourself, mentioned violence.

@653-7410 - i don't dislike the man because of his misguided agenda to improve the lot for people on bikes, i dislike him because he's a fucking twat.

furthermore - making an enemy out of the one organisation that can help more than most (TfL) seems counterproductive.

But he still has a right to peacefully protest which is absolute - certainly greater than other people's rights to tell him where and when and how to peacefully protest.

None of us have prevented him from exercising that right, and those of us who have posted in this thread are exercising our own right to express distaste over his methods.

Disagreeing with somebody isn't the same thing as preventing them from having their say or holding their protests.

No one is denying a right to protest. Simply commenting on a wish to avoid ghoulish behaviour, which seems patently obvious. Seems like you have an axe to grind/are wilfully misreading things

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Fair enough. I do get where you are coming from in terms of you having a right to dislike and slag off someone who is a bit of an arsehole, and a right to dislike what he does. What I disagre with is the suggstion that he does not have a right to peacefully protest unless he has the victims family's support. He should be a lot more sensitive and considerate, but every single one of us has the right to take another cyclist's death personally and protest as we see fit in response The victims family do not have a right to tell this guy he can't protest, which is what some on here seem to be inferring or implying. (Leaving it a week or two, perhaps after the date of a small family-run vigil, and protesting the site of the collision without mentioning the victim's name would seem to me to be the right thing to do if there is no support from the family, but the guy still has a right to block the roads where the collision happened if he wants, ,imo.)

The victims family do not have a right to tell this guy he can't protest

If I meet my end in the wheel arch of a bus, please let it be known that my family DOES have the right to tell him to fuck right off.

sniffy... you said "not peaceful". A definition of peaceful is "not involving violence" - the moment you said "not peaceful" you suggested it was violent.

My final words on the matter. I pretty much agree with most of what is on this thread, but I dislike the idea that the victim's family should have some sort of rights over how others respond to a death on the roads (which I believe was inferred or implied by some, intentionally or not), because that death affects us all, not just the family... but obviously others should respond more sensitively than this guy does.

You're all 90-99.99% right, argument over.

Well done for not letting this descend into pointless arguments and a big pile of shit.

If I die on the road on I want all my mates who ride bikes to organise a 'ride in'. Not to lie on the floor pretending to be dead.

cringe...
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/cyclists-stage-die-in-vigil-for-cyclist-esther-hartsilver-after-fatal-crash-in-camberwell-10306257.html

surely some of those drama queens are on here.
own up.

I can see how they raise the awareness but also 99% of the drivers are responsible, safe and in cars and it is more than likely they'd be the people affected by the above. They are probably just thinking "Why the fuck is the traffic so bad as I jsut want to get home on time for the kids tea" and the twunts in the lorries would have fucked off home by then and so it really won't do much (IMO) with the exception of driving a wedge between the cyclist/driver divide further.

http://stopkillingcyclists.org/2015/11/16/press-release-stop-killing-cyclists-to-stage-no-more-coffins-die-in/

symbolic coffins and tombstones.

Never have I wished so much for rain.

At my first glance that URL implied that they were having a road to Damascus moment and changing tactics.

SKC "We shall stage no more coffin die-ins!"

Rest of the world "Thank fuck"

RotW clicks link

RotW "Oh".

I think they're laying coffins outside TFL.

classy.

The individual concerned tends to use these deaths for his own agenda.

Well yes. The agenda being 'less death'.

quoting out of context is always useful

The individual concerned tends to use these deaths for his own agenda. Often he is more interested in arguing with other cycling campaigners than addressing the issues to a wider audience. And when he does venture into the public realm he tends to aggravate and antagonise rather than win friends.

Having him do these high profile campaigns to promote his own ego and agenda, exploiting these grim occurences does not sit well with many of us. Hence why his cycle campaigning is not widely supported by this cycling community.

I can see how they raise the awareness but also 99% of the drivers are responsible, safe and in cars and it is more than likely they'd be the people affected by the above.

They are protests and useless (politically) unless they are disruptive. Being tacky and offending sensitive souls like @dancing james probably shows they are along the right lines :-)

There is a place for this type of protest at one end of the spectrum, just as there is town/traffic planning at the other - helping move things forward.

Stop being so English and mistaking 'tasteful' with important.

You make two points really;

1/ Pissing people off

I'd argue that that's actually the aim. You obviously don't agree with that tactic... but it is a tactic.

2/ Egos

Yep, sure. Just always a problem in a direct action organisation. You won't change that unless you flatten all the energy and passion and then you have just another campaign group that has meetings in a pub. We wouldn't be talking about them.

quoting out of context is always useful

Dude, I was saving people re-reading. I assumed they bothered reading your whole post.

See above.

And sarcasm isn't helpful either.