• Removed, just seeking to understand what happened so we can learn to minimise the chance of this happening again. No blame apportioned or implied, just want us all to be cautious around left turns which seem to be high risk.

  • This is not the thread for that debate. You do not know the circumstances, and do not know that Akis was at fault, that he didn't look or have enough caution. You simply do not know. Speculation can upset family and friends, it can also affect any ongoing legal case that arises. Please edit your post to just the last line or I'll nuke and remove Rider Down privileges.

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