But the problem is that they and their supporters see it as a win-win. Die and you're a martyr to the 'cause'; survive and you're an icon. It's very hard to negotiate with this kind of logic (if you can call it that).
Edit: that was to comment #33217, not the other one.
Shame that not all of them die. Some of them are well kept and became icons within their little miserable world. Breivik to name one.