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  • Shame that not all of them die. Some of them are well kept and became icons within their little miserable world. Breivik to name one.

  • But the problem is that they and their supporters see it as a win-win. Die and you're a martyr to the 'cause'; survive and you're an icon. It's very hard to negotiate with this kind of logic (if you can call it that).

    Edit: that was to comment #33217, not the other one.

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