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There is strong view on this thread which isn't anti segregation but pragmatic and open to different solution for different places and circumstances. Some of the pro-seg people seem to not accept the multiple solutions necessary to get more people riding, and insist that 'space for cycling 'can only be obtained with segregation. And have defined when this is necessary (Speed and traffic density formula) in LCCs space for cycling guidance rather than a more nuanced approach which assess the function of a location and looks at many ways to reduce danger, real or perceived
In fact @jezston point about how expensive running a car in Helsinki, and @fox comments about the empty cycleways in Stevenage because driving is so easy there both suggest that the stick rather than carrot approach is probably what will do it. It is easy to justify not cycling (with excuses such as perception of danger, no showers at work, got to drop kids off before work, weather, bad knee, got a puncture, pollution, need special clothes etc etc) when driving is seen as easy and cheap