If you support segregated cycling infrastructure in Hackney

Clear guidelines as to how to overtake properly that are actually enforced.

Make it financially and morally unacceptable to do a punishment pass.

Strict liability to ensure sorry mate I did not see you is not a legal defence.

"Clear guidelines as to how to overtake properly that are actually enforced.
Make it financially and morally unacceptable to do a punishment pass.
Strict liability to ensure sorry mate I did not see you is not a legal defence."

Dream on.

Making cycling seem safer to a majority of people is an intractable problem. Probably a bit of both approaches would be most effective. Segregated lanes in places, better quiet-ways, more training, more driver education, different laws, and so on.

Really? As has been pointed out this happens in Europeland, so not actually that difficult.

Though sadly it might just require a politicians kid being run over by an aggressive driver for it to happen.

LFGSS is all about people who want to see riding a bike as a counter-culture anarchic activity.

You are a nice guy, but you can fuck off with stupid and incorrect generalisations like that.

I don't think that segregation is the solution or that the ideal should be a system where bicycles are completely removed from the road. However introduction of decent segregated lanes/paths to tackle problems is fine as long as it is well executed. Well executed cycle lane and London never seem to go together.

What sums it up for me over these now 8 pages is from @dancing james

Given that most accidents occur at junctions putting cyclists into out of sight, out of mind, segregated lanes which acquiesce priority at every road they converge with is a recipe for disaster.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1xL1POnGGc

All sweeping statements are dangerous.

Given that most accidents occur at junctions putting cyclists into out of sight, out of mind, segregated lanes which acquiesce priority at every road they converge with is a recipe for disaster.

Which is exactly what people are not asking for. Yes that's what tfl and councils have had in mind for a while but it is a straw man to suggest that the pro-segregation argument is calling for more of the same. What they are calling for is segregated lane that has priority over side roads and at junctions with separate and equitable light phases...

You can't dismiss calls for more infrastructure by pointing and laughing at what currently exists...

Post by @cyclelove abut his discussions here yesterday
http://greig.cc/journal/2014/12/cycling-infrastructure-is-not-for-cyclists

Granted, it was on a forum for fixed gear riders — "vehicular cyclists" — who love riding in traffic, so probably the most hostile place possible to argue my case.

Why did you choose lfgss to argue your case? #clickbaiting
That term Vehicular Cyclists is nonsense and irrelevant. Whether or not there are segregated lanes built people will have to use local roads with no segregation (as they still do in the majority of trips in North Europe). Cycles are vehicles (and capable of speed). The Dutch recognise that which is why they train cyclists to share the road with drivers too.

Good grief is LFGSS a weird 80's time warp. Parallel universe? Very strange.

https://twitter.com/Oeax/status/540153479319539713
lols

LOL... This is good...
http://mobile.twitter.com/AsEasyAsRiding/status/540138264028790784?p=v

One of my posts on spreading the word of free cycle training has been tweeted as "Wow".

Another one by the same guy.....

Mark Treasure.

What a cunt.

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Oh it turns out that Mark Treasure, the guy that mocked this post:

Instead of segregating us and taking our freedom and right to use the road away from us, why don't you use your voice to make the people of Hackney/London aware that there are free cycle training courses available to empower cyclists by teaching them how to use the road safely?

Is the chair of the GB Cycle Embassy...

Mark says that no one needs to know about cycling training, so let's forget about teaching people how to stay alive on the roads!

We're in safe hands everyone! Thanks Mark Treasure!

@Multi_Grooves @dancing james looks like you need to get new jobs.

This guy @VoleOSpeed thinks that cyclists should not have the right to ride on the road where there are decent cycle lanes:

It’s time to say it. Cyclists should not have that right with 1st class dedicated provision

https://twitter.com/VoleOSpeed/status/523095023005360130

Just when I thought it couldn't get better, Mark has been digging trough my posts, and doing some potato chopping. https://mobile.twitter.com/AsEasyAsRiding/status/540227250059485184/photo/1

What Mark left out is that the "two minor rider down incidents" we're appalling cyclists crashing into other cyclists, absolutely nothing to do with motorists what so ever.

And if he bothered to do any research my "new", much faster and safer route, the Old Kent Road has zero cycling infrastructure. Compared to the "terrifying" Camberwell Church Rd>Camberwell Green>Kennington Rd route with cycle lanes on the outside of the road, perfect for *undertaking *.

I think I'm going to get a twitter account.

Wow, he pretty much missed out some of the great response in this topic and just focus on the most negative one.

Look like he'll do well in sensational journalism.

Just when I thought it couldn't get better, Mark has been digging trough my posts, and doing some potato chopping. mobile.twitter.com/AsEasyAsRidin­g/status/540227250059485184/photo/1

You should forward him the ones where you talk about hitting 8 peds in, like, 5 hours, so he can add those too

@Antidotes I don't see anything bad about the quote he made a pic of. If someone has a mental block against riding in london/traffic and cycle training is the difference between riding and not riding then they are empowered to ride.

Just seems like someone who dislikes vehicular riding styles. Weirdly lots of the confrontations he retweets are from gutter riders and situations that can be avoided with vehicular cycling.

#twootermoistpocolypse

I dunno, comin' over here, startin' arguments, stealing our ideas for rides:
http://ibikelondon.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/youre-invited-to-cyclelove-x.html
http://www.lfgss.com/events/466/#comment11977977

I can't see how that route will take place in segregated cycle lanes. Will only fast young males attend?

Copy the seldom killer's post about cycle lanes as an image and post it in response.

It's not the quote, it's his response to the quote, I am just quite surprised that someone on the GB Cycling Embassy would scoff at the idea of Cycle Training.

• 8 peds incidents in about a year.
  
  

4 of which were peds running into the side of me, not actually coming into contact with my bike but effectively crashing side on into me.

2 front on strikes, peds running out on me from stationary traffic into non stationary traffic, one other cyclist went down in one of these incidents.

1 which ran out in front of me and a motorcyclist, striking the motorcyclist and then me. That was a bad night.

And the last/worst incident I actually avoided a front on strike with an emergency stop that led to me being run over by a cyclist.... Broken rib, cracked another one, lots of my blood on Westminster Sq, couldn't walk for a week etc. Maybe he can repost that.

What puzzle me, is that he's using you as the finest example of Bikeability.

On it.

And the last/worst incident I actually avoided a front on strike with an emergency stop that led to me being run over by a cyclist

Is that the one where you did a whip skid because you didn't know how to work your front brake effectively?

I mean this in the nicest possible way, you seem like a decent guy and you're generally well-liked round these parts, which is maybe why people don't question you on these things much. But from your descriptions of the scrapes you get into, it sounds like you ride like a complete and utter chopper. Have you actually had cycle training yourself,or are you just using it as a stick to beat all those other incompetent cyclists over the head with? If you haven't been trained, then I'd hate to see the anti-training people use you as an example of a cyclist who rides to the national standard and who has been verified as doing so by a qualified professional.

There isn't really any way for me to say all that without sounding like a bit of a dick, but it's something that I really think ought to be said at this point, because I'd hate for cycle training (which is a genuinely useful tool) to be misrepresented like this.