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The pitch fork mob won't have achieved that. Yurikin would have by challenging calmly, and was assisted by ABCNews by shifting himself firmly into troll territory.
I think that's unfair. You made the point, a couple of times, that instead of complaining to you we should address the troll directly so they have a chance to apologise / change their behaviour, and the forum can self-moderate. That's what Yurikin was doing. If ABC stays quiet, or stops trolling, surely this is the outcome we all wanted? We may come across as a pitchfork mob, but the point has been clearly made to ABC that we find him boring and he has no support here.
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but the point has been clearly made to ABC that we find him boring and he has no support here.
Who here doesn't find someone boring on here?
That's a terrible criteria for demanding a ban. In raising it in here, that's what is being asked of me as it's the only reason to involve me.
Get better criteria, build a better case.
I'm never going to ban someone because from your extremely subjective point of view, someone bores you. Even if you multiply your to include the entire forum population, someone boring everyone (which you probably could never verify) still isn't a reason to ban... it's a reason for those who are bored to put the someone on ignore.
Has the forum slid so much that this is honestly the best case that can be made?
Have all my pleas for a solid reason to ban someone really fallen on deaf ears?
If people want me to act, show me the basis on which to act. That includes showing me reasoned and calm attempts to integrate the someone in question, to get them to understand what has caused issue and how to correct it.
When given such clear information, I act very swiftly.
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Yes, and she could have deleted the posts.
When it reaches this thread, and myself or hippy. Basically we're only talking about whether we're going to ban.
We have obvious trip-wires that will cause a ban: spam, eBay adverts, obvious trolling, threats of violence, posting porn or snuff stuff, obviously illegal stuff, and so on.
But... short of those things, it's all subjective.
I've made it abundantly clear over and over, I won't stray into moderating the subjective without there being clear guidance from the wider community about how to handle that subjective stuff.
Even then... I don't treat precedence of subjective moderation as carved in stone. I re-visit it, to ensure it's still what the community wants.
I know that ABCNews's posts are misogynistic and offensive, but were they intended, were they foolishly posted by someone for whom English isn't a first language, did they naively repeat a sensibility they've learned from mass media without understanding what they were saying? Could they be educated? Could they be set straight? Would they recognise that their behaviour does appear to be misogynistic/sexist? Would they value their place in the community, understand how their behaviour affects others in the community, and desire to do better by others in the community?
Failing all of that, if it's obvious he's a troll (which does seem fairly likely), then sure... I'll ban.
But all subjective stuff... well, I cannot believe the low wit, dumb arguments, pitch fork mentality most on here are displaying. Come on, I know it takes time and effort, but it's not hard to hold someone to account.
Given that I now think ABCNews is a troll (from his posts in this thread in the last 2 pages where he clearly doesn't care about the opinion of anyone else), I'll still give him a little longer to prove me wrong or be banned.
But people should note: The pitch fork mob won't have achieved that. Yurikin would have by challenging calmly, and was assisted by ABCNews by shifting himself firmly into troll territory.
There are ways to get people banned, but hounding me isn't it. I was quite tempted to treat some of those wielding pitch forks as trolling me.