Lance Armstrong... greatest doper there was or ever will be

Surprisingly, I felt a twinge of sympathy when I saw it was cans of Budweiser competitors had to chug, but then I remembered he's a steaming turd of a human and had a chuckle. For mainstream America this public humiliation is probably more damaging to his brand image than the fucking PEDs.

He will probably attempt stuffing rocks of crack up his garry and fighting a horde midgets for his next challenge.

Bud seems like quite a good option for a challenge like this. Hardly any taste, watery, so should go down fairly easy, and not too hard to get back out after either

What is bud "heavy"? Just normal, as in not lite, or is it extra heavy?

apparently so. Just normal. ugh

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bud%20heavy

'kinell, someone's done it in under 5 minutes. That's some going.

Surprisingly, I felt a twinge of sympathy when I saw it was cans of Budweiser competitors had to chug, but then I remembered he's a steaming turd of a human and had a chuckle.

I went through a similar process, but settled on a vague sense of disgust. You feel wrong for empathising, because that's something he has never shown in his life. Also feel wrong for taking pleasure in his pathetic situation, because that's how he felt towards all those whose lives he fucked up. So, just a general do not want to the whole thing really.

Back on the beeb. What a cock. I find especially distasteful his use of the third person:

"I would want to change the man that did those things, maybe not the decision, but the way he acted," he continued.

That man is you, right now, in this room motherfucker.

Tbh, I think that was a pretty honest and decent answer.
All in all- the guy started me cycling, I'm biased.

#rep

Fair enough on him being an inspiration. Lots of the figures I've looked up to in the past often had 'complex' personality traits and I don't mean people should reorganise their past emotions once we find out what our heroes were/are truly like.

But I think it's about honesty for him at this point. It's time accept responsibility, let cyclists and the wider community get over the scandal. The longer he denies it and gives half baked apologies the longer it will stay acidic in people's minds.

This is a crazy extreme example but truth and reconciliation tribunals allow wider society to get over endemic crimes when you create a space to let people be honest. And he's sort of generated those opportunities himself and then slipped out the back door instead of finishing his confession. Which to be fair to him may be to do with the federal investigation looming in the next year or so. But that makes it pretty hard for me to generate empathy.

But I would be willing to rescind my 'motherfucker' directed at him.

I used to wank myself to sleep every night thinking about his marvellous legs and shit-eating grin. So, on the basis that my experience of him is the most important one, I say Go Lance!

heroes

^ this was the problem.

People think they know these public figures, but they're just confused: TV, that advert and a book – that isn't real life.

How would you know? You seem confused.

I laughed at how local radio reported the interview
"In an interview with BBC, cyclist lance armstrong thinks he should be forgiven for cheating and lying, also if he were to go back in time he'd do it all again"

How would you know?

How would I know LA isn't the god he was painted to be? ... I've paid attention over the last decade. That was enough.

You seem confused.

Is your livestrong band chaffing?

My other half swore and told him to fuck off when he appeared on BBC news.

My work is done.

I intensely dislike him and he is a sociopath. HOWEVER it would be so easy for him to show contrition and say that he would never do it again in a million years. The American (and larger global) public would probably lap it up and in a couple of years time he would be on the talkshow circuit as Jesus mk3, raking in the cash.
So, for that he has a smidgen of my respect - even if its a bit late to draw a line in the sand.

What he said on the BBC may seem reasonable and true to some people. The problem is that he is the one who said it. That's not how it works.

He should have been unconditionally apologetic and humble, but he decided to be a dick. If he had just raised his hands right away and stopped trying to make it look like all is good then people may have not only had sympathy for him, but people possibly would be defending him with the same kind of stuff he said a couple of days ago.

I hope the ban for life stays. He was an example for many in his glory days and should be an example for many now too, just a different kind of example.

His big point is that 'I was not the only one, everyone was doing it, it was the era'. It was never an individual decision. Saying he would do it again, if the conditions were the same, is just his way of stressing this idea that he has been singled our, unfairly, from among all these other riders who did what he did. It's strategy.
He nearly chokes on his tongue when it is put to him that he could have said no and kept his integrity. Integrity? What's that?
It may be unfair that he received a longer ban than others - but the unfairness is the leniency of their bans, not the harshness of his. He's like Virenque, he can't see the difference between being innocent and being the only one to get caught.

It would have been easier for him to have said "If I went back in time I wouldn't have done it". So I do have some respect for him saying that. Also everyone was doing it - he was just better at it than everyone else. And I don't really see why his attitude is any worse than say Tyler Hamilton's mea culpa - "I took loads of drugs and won stuff, but I didn't really want to, at least after I was caught" or the ones who just don't pretend to give a fuck - Vinokourov runs a team!

That said, he is back now trying to control the agenda - interviews in Rouleur, BBC, trying to sound reasonable but not looking like he means it. So also that.

Conflicted.

As I've said before, the issue was never that he was a doper, even a somewhat unrepentant one, since that doesn't place him in a very small group. The trouble with Lance is that he was, is, and looks like forever being, such a massive cunt.

Nail. Head.

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What's all the fuss about the ban anyway - you're old, you've got kids, you had your chance - stop thinking about racing and go do something else with your life for fucks sake.

I am very pissed of that the beeb chose to be the ones who appear to have broken this story - the cunt needs to be ignored, his comments about Astana and the head of the UCI are just hollow shite coming from his festering gob.

And breathe

Also everyone was doing it - he was just better at it than everyone else.

They weren't. There were large numbers of riders who didn't dope. Some, like Boardman and Moncoutie, made it to the pro ranks and did okay. Many, many others never got that far because they made the decision not to cheat.