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needs moar 'LOOOOOOOL'

why?

Where's the difference nowadays?

Digital cameras, and digital cameras that you can also make phone calls with and use to do email are pretty much the same thing.

I think that indeed the content of the two threads would complement aother.

Sure, phones are generally used more for "daily" stuff and "snapshops", but I really don't think it's an issue, or particularily true with users here, as people pretty much care about a good image - and it's really not a difference in my opinion if the device is also a phone.
I mean really - you say smartphone, but these things really are great, small digital cameras with a nice screen (that you can also make phonecalls with) - aren't they?

I understand that. However I do browse the mobile phone pic thread but not the digital photography. I like the immediacy of the phone pics. The threads have existed side-by-side for a while now which would indicate that there isn't much call to merge.

Digital cameras, and digital cameras that you can also make phone calls with and use to do email are pretty much the same thing.

This is so not true.

There is an ocean between the two.

Phone cameras use very small, predominantly plastic, lenses and almost everything is done in software to correct the various issues that arise and to enhance the photo to give the illusion of the optics being more capable than they are.

Dedicated cameras use proper optics, and their hardware is all around manipulating the light through the optics and onto the sensor in a way that minimises the work that the software has to do to capture the image. The sensors are larger too, meaning even less correction and even higher quality.

The difference in technique between the two is astounding, and aside from the subjects remaining the same there really is no similarity.

No smartphone will ever perform as well as a camera as glass (optics) is the one thing that cannot be shrunk adequately. Software will never beat optics. Software just produces an entirely different style and feel of photography... more real-time, social, casual... and as such, those two threads will never be merged. They are different things.

Do not understand the difference between "immediacy" of phone pics vs. non-phone digital point & shoot pics to be honest.

Anyways, this was just a suggestion I realize is not very popular, though the strongest "argument" against the merge seems to be along the lines of "they have been seperate for a while now".

What'cha gonna do; after all this forum has gone through in the last weeks I can understand people are fed up with "change".

illiterate spamcunt.

https://www.lfgss.com/comments/11849939/

Anyone with a camera phone can whip it out and take a picture, and if they want to they can share it in the thread. Camera photography is limited to people who carry a camera around with them or have it a specific events/times. There is the difference in the immediacy.

An argument against the merge is that they are different formats produced by different devices. It seem the only argument for the merge is that they are all digital pictures.

They are different things

Or, to put it another way, they are the same thing but with slightly different emphasis on the different stages of faking up an image out of electricity.

If the chemical photography thread permits anything from a box brownie to a Hasselblad, why the snobbery over different levels of digital sophistication?

Why don't we merge all the bike threads? They all have two wheels.

why the snobbery

I don't think this is an issue.

Because this is a cycling forum. Photography fora are welcome to separate fish-eye threads from other wide angle threads etc.

As no compelling reason exists to challenge the status quo, we should probably all just argue about it from obscure principled and often entirely pedantic stand points

Because this is the LFGSS cycling forum.

They are different things.

Yes - you're right, they are.
But it's completely irrelevant for most people, the fact that the lens is plastic and the sensor is tiny - it does not matter anymore if it's just for screens or anything but big prints.
Daily papers have published stuff I shot with an iPhone 4 years ago, it looked nice.
You have more that enough pixels now, and even image stabilization now and 5-digit ISOs.

Can we agree that it's about the image one views in the end?
Modern smartphones can deliver astounding quality, and there's no point whining about that there's software involved.. in all digital cameras, even the pro-ones, is software involved if you shoot JPG, that "improves" the image.
This may not be as "honest" as really capturing all the beautiful rays of light with a Zeiss lens, but fuck it, it really is about the image people are going to see in the end, and nothing else - only jealous idiots look at an image and say "ah the shot is great but it's not cool because his camera used software / he used photoshop / etc. etc.".

We should rename the various photography threads based on CCD size, pixel resolution, and some measure of optical lens clarity, aberration and diffraction.

it's completely irrelevant for most people

But yet, not irrelevant at all to the people who contribute posts to those threads. To some who have the mastering of an SLR (digital or not) as a hobby, it's extremely relevant. Who are you to say it's not?

It's relevant to the people who contribute posts to those threads, if it's two seperate threads, of course.

My point is that it's about the image you present in the end, and in that case it's rather irrelevant what kind of camera you shot it with I believe.

It has taken me this long to work out who tiki was on the old forum.

But is it art?

Non functional art?

Just for the sake of the argument I will troll both threads in the next weeks -
every now and then posting "phone" pics in the digital thread, and "digital camera" pics in the phone thread, so you can fully experience the "ocean between the two".

Can't you just put all the photo threads in their own forum, and then they can be different bits within that?

Sounds like it's time to follow those threads then.

^^^Eat more spinach for that and don't forget the pipe. Careful not to put it in front of your magnificent lenses. Keep us updated with the last of your findings.

Announcing you're going to troll threads may be a bad idea. If enough people report you I would be forced to ban you from that part of the site.