Should Scotland be an independent country?

agreed - but it's stronger there than it is in fucking Belfast!

Both sides are a) full of Scottish Patriots and b) plagued by a minority of morons.

Don't believe anyone mentioned bettertogether.
The TV news ,Twitter, webcam feeds show nazi salutes, racist songs,etc ,how does that equate with reasonable people exercising their democracy?

All across Europe it's a crime to display nazi symbols, tonight there are numbskulls seig heiling under a war memorial , ffs ,what a place.

You don't know me pal, so step lightly.

BWAHAHAHAHA

Ya big bawbag

bawbaggery is rife

There's been a lot of sniping about Salmond on this thread since the No result and even more since he announced his departure. But I think the most charismatic and able politician in the United Kingdom has just decided to step down. I believe many Scots who voted No will be saddened. Scottish attitudes to independence are much more complex than outsiders realise.

An old Northern Irish friend of mine is celebrating Salmond's departure. He admits this is because this referendum has threatened his own loyalist community's sense of security. He has been laying into Salmond - to quote him: "If Alex Salmond had won, he had no ideas whatsoever as to what Scotland could have used for money.". My answer: "He believed, with absolute sincerity, that he and his compatriots would have the strength and ingenuity to make it work. He might even have been right. We'll not know now.". I do know that if the vote had been YES, most people on the NO side would have accepted it and worked with him to make YES a success. Because they are patriots. I hope this can also be achieved now, after the NO vote.

And I will miss Salmond, even though I know him of old because he's been an MP where I grew up for yonks.

Having lived in both, it's about 56-44 in Belfast's favour.

K I bow to your knowledge, sincerely

I've been on the wrong side of the road during an Orange walk through Randallstown (with my ex GF's Catholic family) and it wasn't pleasant

I've not seen it up close and personal in Glasgow, but almost everyone I know has

narratives of intimidation and violence that they've been spattering these last weeks

Darling and Cameron? Really? Earlier this week we were implored to consider Cameron's potential sorrw and heartbreak at losing, and Darling, AKA Mr Boring, was hardly a strong presence during the campaign. (Those eyebrows though...).

that leave goons like this feeling justified in starting real mindless disorder?

I'm not convinced by this argument, both because of who you're talking about and because the mindless disorder of goons doesn't require justification.

Glad to hear so many tributes paid to Salmond today, from both camps. Truly a remarkable politician, the likes of which are few and far between. I wonder what he'll do now...

If I had known, I'd have stopped clipping mine

Loyalist orange fascist scum, triumphalist wankers, hope they get their fucking heads kicked in. Cut from the same cloth as their dickhead cousins in the six-county occupied territories, doesnt surprise me they're out trolling the people of Glasgow.

All of this. Would rep.

hope they get their fucking heads kicked in

The violent feelings they provoke in you will play into their hands.

bams are gonna bam

Loyalist orange fascist scum, triumphalist wankers, hope they get their fucking heads kicked in. Cut from the same cloth as their dickhead cousins in the six-county occupied territories, doesnt surprise me they're out trolling the people of Glasgow.

Are we for real going to allow this sort of talk?

I'm thinking yes.

God there is some terrifying rhetoric about, on both sides. From a comment on the live link posted above:

Peter Foyle
卐 ENGLISH BASTARDS AND THEIR PAKIS AND NIGGERS OUT OF SCOTLAND NOW! 卐

In reply to @lemonade, Yes. It's only specific threats of violence against individuals that are banned, I think. though Veolcio would be the best person to ask about that.

It saddens me, but it doesn't surprise me that the Orange Order elicit this kind of reaction.

Why aren't the media reporting it? From the machine politics, to the media bias, to this shameful lot, it is embarrassing to be on the No side, despite the fact I think independence would have set the country back economically for a generation.

It's only specific threats of violence against individuals that are banned, I think. though Veolcio would be the best person to ask about that.

It's whatever enough people report to me via PM.

Generally though, users on here have zero tolerance for individuals calling out individuals, or even mobs calling out individuals (when the mob isn't LFGSS). But people seem to allow varying degrees of individuals calling out large groups of people.

Why aren't the media reporting it?

Number 1 most read on BBC News:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29288249

Did you miss Cameron being told to stfu by the police and Darling making constant passive-aggressive proclamations? Even his 'victory' speech was used to try and tar the Yes campaign where Salmond immediately focused on unity and positivity.

The Loyalist goons don't need their sense of victimhood enhanced or catered to lest you get scenes like these.

This whole thing is really sad. I hope it doesn't cloud the memory of what has been a great example to the whole world of respect for democracy and awesome levels of peaceful political engagement.

a great example to the whole world of respect for democracy and awesome levels of peaceful political engagement.

This. Look at the rest of the world. We didn't do too badly.