Should Scotland be an independent country?

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  • How many in Scotland voted UKIP?

  • 139,687 people actually, giving them one MEP.

  • Miliband has to go. Labour has to re-engage its base.
    True, but his replacement would most likely be to the right of Miliband.

    You think Ed Balls is to the right of Miliband?

  • Talking of Farage:

    'The English are 86% by population of this Union. They’ve been left out of all of this for the last 18 years. We still have a situation where Scottish MPs can vote in the House of Commons on English-only issues. I think what most English people want is a fair settlement.'

    Hang on, doesn't his party have the words United Kingdom in it?

    Always love that name, UKIP. Whenever I see Farrago I think 'You kip if you want to - I'm staying wide awake.'

  • You think Ed Balls is to the right of Miliband?

    The same Ed Balls who's signed up to the Tory cuts?

    What makes you think he'd be the next leader anyway? He's been trounced by Gideon of all people.

  • Ed Balls is another ex-public schoolboy. Is he really going to re-engage the electorate?

  • :(

  • Ed Balls is another ex-public schoolboy. Is he really going to re-engage the electorate?

    Far from. Although the electoral cycle favours Labour very strongly, Balls probably has the ability to lose it for Labour.

    Does being public school rule him out? Unless you believe that your destiny should be limited by what your parents were.

  • I certainly don't believe that at all (and actually went to the same school as Mr Balls and Mr Clarke before him). But I do hear from many people that it is one of their reasons not to listen to the majority of what comes out of Westminster, from either side of the house.

  • Does being public school rule him out?

    No, but I think its time for a working class leader of the Labour party.

  • We still have a situation where Scottish MPs can vote in the House of Commons on English-only issues. I think what most English people want is a fair settlement

    Hang on, doesn't his party have the words United Kingdom in it?

    No problem there; a fair settlement would be abolition of the devolved assemblies and a true union, with one law across the whole state. It's easy enough to be pro-union and pro-fairness.

  • Seems like a good time to reprise this.

    That said, the small-minded twats giving him grief over stating his allegiance should be lined up against a wall and have 140mph serves aimed at them.

  • You won't get a working class leader of any worth because they would refuse to give up their principles and rise in the mechanism of Westminster.

  • So how are those riots and violent uprisings that the No campaign promised us going?

  • Maybe that's where Uber is right now?

  • Yes, he does seem obvious by his absence doesn't he?

  • I thought the forum was broken, I've been running all kinds of diagnostics.

  • He's probably frothed all over his keyboard and can't post.

  • Bollocks.
    What is fair about a political system that has given rise to an elite and an underclass?
    Imposed government from afar is colonial rule.
    Anything that can unite George Galloway, Nigel Fruitcake and the Orange Order automatically repels me.

  • He's probably frothed all over his keyboard and can't post.

    Euphemism?

    Actually, I don't want to know.

  • There's no rule of and plenty of examples of people rising from poverty or falling from privilege. Do you really think it's a political system that's created todays society or the people in it.

    What do you personally do to help the 'underclass'?

  • plenty of examples of people rising from poverty

    Correlation of individual and parental earnings in OECD:


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  • What do you personally do to help the 'underclass'?

    De-construct the systems that perpetuates privilege, and strengthen the ones that provide everyone with equal access.

    What's important isn't taking from the rich and destroying them, but ensuring that the opportunities they get are available to all. Today they are not. If you happen to be born a poor black female in the UK today, there's still no way that you are going to have the same opportunities as a male, as a girl that is white, as someone born wealthy.

    The stories of those who overcame their circumstances and managed to do better for themselves than was predicted are what they unfortunately are: isolated examples.

    Going back to my first line, this is why universal healthcare and access to social housing is also crucial. A child living in a mouldy and damp council flat, always ill, unable to attend school because of illness... that child has a disadvantage from so early on. Everything is against that child from an early age. I know, I was that child.

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