2014-07-19 (Sat) - LFGSS CC London Velodrome Day

Taster session at Lea Valley Velodrome, tomorrow, going spare...

rode the track last night,first time on banked corners and first time brakeless. All together much fun!

1. Velocio
   
2. roboto
   dimi3.
   
3. Vince
   
4. Hoke
   
5. Temp
   
6. Branwen
   
7. danb
   
8. JD
   10.Laner
   11.Coppithat
   
9. Blackfoot
   
10. villa-ru
    
11. Eyebrows
    
12. 6pt (but may be on tour)
    
13. veLLo
    
14. dicki
    
15. Skinny
    
16. h-j
    
17. Hairnetnic
    
18. Mands
    
19. Mikec
    
20. PQR
    
21. Modan
    
22. Cazakstan
    
23. allensea
    
24. Tibbs
    
25. Dr Cake
    
26. hats
    
27. danstuff
    
28. hippy (for Metrocammell)
    
29. Opiumia (subject to induction!)
    
30. Tommy
    
31. Crispin Glover (subject to cost)
    
32. MA3K
    
33. KRZ
    
34. Snake Fist
    
35. BlueQuinn (on the red Quinn. Or the White Cinelli.)
    
36. steves (and up for joining others for induction sessions...)
    
37. econodog
    
38. almac68
    
39. Husy
    
40. Joe Smith
    
41. Moserism
    
42. Brown
    
43. Dumps
    
44. BisonIncandenza
    
45. Sumo
    
46. BGA
    
47. Bundo
    
48. dbr
    
49. cjr
    
50. radmichello (likely as a spectator)
    
51. Blue6
    
52. ActonMan
    
53. Wobby
    
54. Chung (if in the country)
    
55. keanulooser (induction and bike hire needed)
    
56. Digger (work dependent)
    60.Roymund
    
57. Dramatic Hammer
    
58. Torker (subject to accreditation and bike hire)
    
59. HatBeard
    
60. Scoot
    
61. Jezston
    
62. T4
    
63. dublinkevin
    
64. malandro
    
65. ive2dogs
    
66. Seven04
    
67. arantrek
    
68. V-L
    
69. imagesurgery
    

1. Velocio
   
2. roboto
   dimi3.
   
3. Vince
   
4. Hoke
   
5. Temp
   
6. Branwen
   
7. danb
   
8. JD
   10.Laner
   11.Coppithat
   
9. Blackfoot
   
10. villa-ru
    
11. Eyebrows
    
12. 6pt (but may be on tour)
    
13. veLLo
    
14. dicki
    
15. Skinny
    
16. h-j
    
17. Hairnetnic
    
18. Mands
    
19. Mikec
    
20. PQR
    
21. Modan
    
22. Cazakstan
    
23. allensea
    
24. Tibbs
    
25. Dr Cake
    
26. hats
    
27. danstuff
    
28. hippy (for Metrocammell)
    
29. Opiumia (subject to induction!)
    
30. Tommy
    
31. Crispin Glover (subject to cost)
    
32. MA3K
    
33. KRZ
    
34. Snake Fist
    
35. BlueQuinn (on the red Quinn. Or the White Cinelli.)
    
36. steves (and up for joining others for induction sessions...)
    
37. econodog
    
38. almac68
    
39. Husy
    
40. Joe Smith
    
41. Moserism
    
42. Brown
    
43. Dumps
    
44. BisonIncandenza
    
45. Sumo
    
46. BGA
    
47. Bundo
    
48. dbr
    
49. cjr
    
50. radmichello (likely as a spectator)
    
51. Blue6
    
52. ActonMan
    
53. Wobby
    
54. Chung (if in the country)
    
55. keanulooser (induction and bike hire needed)
    
56. Digger (work dependent)
    60.Roymund
    
57. Dramatic Hammer
    
58. Torker (subject to accreditation and bike hire)
    
59. HatBeard
    
60. Scoot
    
61. Jezston
    
62. T4
    
63. dublinkevin
    
64. malandro
    
65. ive2dogs
    
66. Seven04
    
67. arantrek
    
68. V-L
    
69. imagesurgery
    
70. TomvanHalen
    

1. Velocio
   
2. roboto
   dimi3.
   
3. Vince
   
4. Hoke
   
5. Temp
   
6. Branwen
   
7. danb
   
8. JD
   10.Laner
   11.Coppithat
   
9. Blackfoot
   
10. villa-ru
    
11. Eyebrows
    
12. 6pt (but may be on tour)
    
13. veLLo
    
14. dicki
    
15. Skinny
    
16. h-j
    
17. Hairnetnic
    
18. Mands
    
19. Mikec
    
20. PQR
    
21. Modan
    
22. Cazakstan
    
23. allensea
    
24. Tibbs
    
25. Dr Cake
    
26. hats
    
27. danstuff
    
28. hippy (for Metrocammell)
    
29. Opiumia (subject to induction!)
    
30. Tommy
    
31. Crispin Glover (subject to cost)
    
32. MA3K
    
33. KRZ
    
34. Snake Fist
    
35. BlueQuinn (on the red Quinn. Or the White Cinelli.)
    
36. steves (and up for joining others for induction sessions...)
    
37. econodog
    
38. almac68
    
39. Husy
    
40. Joe Smith
    
41. Moserism
    
42. Brown
    
43. Dumps
    
44. BisonIncandenza
    
45. Sumo
    
46. BGA
    
47. Bundo
    
48. dbr
    
49. cjr
    
50. radmichello (likely as a spectator)
    
51. Blue6
    
52. ActonMan
    
53. Wobby
    
54. Chung (if in the country)
    
55. keanulooser (induction and bike hire needed)
    
56. Digger (work dependent)
    60.Roymund
    
57. Dramatic Hammer
    
58. Torker (subject to accreditation and bike hire)
    
59. HatBeard
    
60. Scoot
    
61. Jezston
    
62. T4
    
63. dublinkevin
    
64. malandro
    
65. ive2dogs
    
66. Seven04
    
67. arantrek
    
68. V-L
    
69. imagesurgery
    
70. TomvanHalen
    
71. kyle grey
    

Is the session really limited to 16 riders on the track at one time?
I was on Herne hill today with 70. I know its half the size and twice as fast but still seems a bad health and safety calculation.

If it still counts towards to full accreditation im still keen but I'm already accredited for Herne Hill, will this hour count for anything in advance to that?

Any chance of two sessions.. one for accredited forum riders and one without?

The thing about the Stratford track is even though it's probably the same width, due to the banking it seems a lot narrower, the corners are extremely sharp and you can't just cruise around the top if you get tired because it's just too steep to do that, you'll slip the whole way down. Overtaking and other stuff also needs to be done efficiently and with communication because you have less space. In short it's a lot less forgiving than HH. I wouldn't want to be on it with more than 20 other experienced riders, let alone inexperienced ones.

On the other hand, the limit at Calshot is 16, and it's barely over half the length of the Pringledrome.

I would say more about coaches to riders ratio too. Only one coach standing on the finish line for my Stratford session.

The thing about the Stratford track is even though it's probably the same width, due to the banking it seems a lot narrower, the corners are extremely sharp and you can't just cruise around the top if you get tired because it's just too steep to do that, you'll slip the whole way down. Overtaking and other stuff also needs to be done efficiently and with communication because you have less space. In short it's a lot less forgiving than HH. I wouldn't want to be on it with more than 20 other experienced riders, let alone inexperienced ones.
You so pro! xx

The thing about the Stratford track is...you can't just cruise around the top if you get tired because it's just too steep to do that, you'll slip the whole way down

See at about 1m00s here, they're only doing about 15mph right at the top of the banking, it's not like you have to be doing 30mph to stay up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seUoEcbel6g

Presumably the fact that they have £££ tyres and don't suck helps though. Saw a couple of people slip on Saturday and deck it

See at about 1m00s here, they're only doing about 15mph right at the top of the banking

A speed some of the people doing the taster session on Thursday were having trouble achieving...

See at about 1m00s here, they're only doing about 15mph right at the top of the banking, it's not like you have to be doing 30mph to stay up.

Yes, I'm not saying you have to be going top speed but at HH training sessions people ride up to the top when they're too tired to stay in a group/after a sprint and need to rest so are both decelerating and too knackered to keep pushing the pedals hard. You can comfortably crawl around the top at less than 10mph at HH, whereas I don't think you could do that at Stratford without slipping to your doom.

Reading the tire regulations for stratford and I'm finding the confusing.

First they list manufacturers that are allowed...

Users must use Continental, Schwalbe, Tufo or Vittoria clinchers or tubulars (black tread only), 21 mm or wider.

Then they list a Manufacturer that isn't allowed, suggesting that your fine so long as its isnt this one?

Do not use Michelin tyres or any dual compound tyres or tyres with coloured treads.

My tires are single compound Kenos.. not on the list of allowed or denied.
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There is no contradiction there, you can use black Contis but not coloured ones. You can't use any Michelins whatever colour they are.

Get some tyres from one of the permitted manufacturers to avoid trouble. Vittoria Diamante Pista are good and cheap, you'll want some tyres you keep exclusively for indoors anyway.

Tommy, aren't your tyres on the board man white anyway? Get some better rubber! :)

Well they are Vittoria rubios Mixed compound tires but to reiterate it is not my bike / they are not my tires.

This way you'll be training from your current accreditation level, or will start the accreditation.

All of this also means... you don't have to be accredited in advance... but if you are going through accreditation you can work towards completing part of it within the session.

This is not the case, club sessions do not count towards accreditation.
*also British cycling federation membership will be required for all riders.

*update

Found a workaround to the requirement to have BCF membership.
Signup before the day and then cancel it within 30 days under the distance sellers act.

I've done just this with LFGSS listed as my club.

1. Velocio
   
2. roboto
   dimi3.
   
3. Vince
   
4. Hoke
   
5. Temp
   
6. Branwen
   
7. danb
   
8. JD
   10.Laner
   11.Coppithat
   
9. Blackfoot
   
10. villa-ru
    
11. Eyebrows
    
12. 6pt (but may be on tour)
    
13. veLLo
    
14. dicki
    
15. Skinny
    
16. h-j
    
17. Hairnetnic
    
18. Mands
    
19. Mikec
    
20. PQR
    
21. Modan
    
22. Cazakstan
    
23. allensea
    
24. Tibbs
    
25. Dr Cake
    
26. hats
    
27. danstuff
    
28. hippy (for Metrocammell)
    
29. Opiumia (subject to induction!)
    
30. Tommy
    
31. Crispin Glover (subject to cost)
    
32. MA3K
    
33. KRZ
    
34. Snake Fist
    
35. BlueQuinn (on the red Quinn. Or the White Cinelli.)
    
36. steves (and up for joining others for induction sessions...)
    
37. econodog
    
38. almac68
    
39. Husy
    
40. Joe Smith
    
41. Moserism
    
42. Brown
    
43. Dumps
    
44. BisonIncandenza
    
45. Sumo
    
46. BGA
    
47. Bundo
    
48. dbr
    
49. cjr
    
50. radmichello (likely as a spectator)
    
51. Blue6
    
52. ActonMan
    
53. Wobby
    
54. Chung (if in the country)
    
55. keanulooser (induction and bike hire needed)
    
56. Digger (work dependent)
    60.Roymund
    
57. Dramatic Hammer
    
58. Torker (subject to accreditation and bike hire)
    
59. HatBeard
    
60. Scoot
    
61. Jezston
    
62. T4
    
63. dublinkevin
    
64. malandro
    
65. ive2dogs
    
66. Seven04
    
67. arantrek
    
68. V-L
    
69. imagesurgery
    
70. TomvanHalen
    
71. kyle grey
    
72. Kacper
    

So... this appears to be coming up.

I've decided to work out the costs and sell you the tickets already :)

Let's begin with the costs:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SE6yzz2SjdncPtd_3EFvW5T9FvIFn73HBAnCa4Bp1yQ/edit?usp=sharing

There are 48 riding slots, with a maximum of 16 riders on the track at any given moment.

I am going to ask for this session to be part of the Pathway to Accreditation, so it should count towards that.

We can take our own bikes, but there are very specific rules on them (fixed, brakeless, etc) down to the tyres (black only, no colour compound).

The bike hire per rider is £10 and includes the helmet. It doesn't explicitly state that it includes the shoes, but I believe it does.

With 48 riders, we can sell tickets that include the whole thing for only £30 all-in. That includes the session, coaches, Velodrome, bike hire, helmet hire, shoes.

I'm happy to charge you £20 if you're bringing your bike... but if roll up on a bike you can't ride on the track (the coaches have the first and last word on that), you're going to feel pretty silly. But I will give you the option, and the responsibility to ensure the bike is OK for the 'drome will be yours.

Anyhow, as you can see from the costings, it will be extremely reasonable.

I'm hoping to put the tickets on sale tomorrow evening for £30 each.

Because the price is basically as close to costs as we can reasonably be, we're going to make the tickets non-refundable. This is super-cheap, not a corp event, and if it goes well we want to do it more. The more people that turn up and ride the velodrome, the more we can do this in future. I'd love to make it a regular thing.

PS: I'll wait on actually selling tickets until I can verify we really need the number of coaches I'd originally written down. It affects the cost, so I won't sell a ticket without knowing the cost.

So since the session is 3 hours long there's basically going to be three groups of 16 who get an hour on the track each?

Roughly, yes.

You'll all be in the velodrome, and will be able to spectate, warm-up, etc... but the key thing thing is, the velodrome isn't anywhere near as large as Herne Hill and so it does not take more than 20 riders at a time, that limit is only 16 when the riders are not all accredited.

The exact order of riders will be determined on the day... you're free to influence this. Aside from pure logistics that restrict things (how many small or large bikes there are), I'm happy for people to figure out for themselves who they want to ride their session with.

So the smaller track means fewer riders on at a time... slowing things down from the perspective of getting everyone on the track.

On the upside... it's a damn fast track!