Which Groupset?

So apart from comments from a moron, it comes down to front shifting to make Shimano miles ahead. Right. Glad we cleared that up.

FWIW, I'm agnostic in the great groupset schisms. I have bikes with Campag, Shimano and SRAM.

Right, and that is why I do not want Shimano for the next one. I was just wondering if Athena is much better then Centaur (and I am looking at Force 22 too in this moment).

To me Shimano has the same style of a vacuum cleaner...