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You say the Land Cruiser is hard centre - living in sunny Manchester the most important factor for me is grip in the wet! How do they perform?

Has anyone used the X for touring? Had a quick spin around the block and it felt like my 456: slowly carves around corners but surprisingly easy to manual/hop. i.e. not at all like a road bike!

I'm guessing this is what makes it confidence-inspiring on the wee tempting singletracks that my alu roadie won't entertain though so hope to persuade Cotic to let me borrow one for an afternoon in the Peaks to experience hills and rough tracks. Seems pretty similar numbers-wise to other touring frames though and I intend to do some camping adventures with it as well as it being the only roadie in my life.

The guts of the query is: do its unusual strengths make up for its lack of nippy-feeling handling on the road/will I learn to enjoy tight corners and inner-city riding?

if you like sustained pain:

Manc
Northenden
Styal
Wilmslow
Pott Shrigley (so far so flat)
Goyt Valley
Cat and Fiddle (earned a lovely Robinsons ale by now)
Macc Forest
Sutton
Alderley Edge
Wilmslow
Styal
Northenden
home

Think that's about 40 miles, Salman and Drew might know better...

Emyr - you life saver! Too many standards=not standard enough.

Erm, not sure how the etiquette works in this situation... Andy - are you happy with a tenner for both stem and bars? I'm happy to make transactional music with Ribblekid otherwise...

Muito obrigado!

Also looking out for a saddle, nice road one for around a tenner though would consider paying more if reeeeelly nice. Mostly do quite long hilly rides so something appropriate please.

*can't PM as born-again member.

Andy! I want bars! can you bring them to polo tomoz? Excuse my ignorance but I take it I can't bodge 26mm into my 25.4mm stem? I ideally want anatomic drops and they look a nice depth. Have you a stem I could get with them? I'll deal with the older ones if not. Cheers, Nate

Taba - Are those bars still for grabs? I needs bars, any bars that don't flex and creak alarmingly. 25.4mm I think, is 26 compatible?