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Will, Luca, Josh => Call Me Joshy or Gettin' Will ?

Can we register for Epiphany yet?

No, Woods can tell you better than me, ut it looks like Epiphany will be later this year. Late January, early february.

But in France because lot of team will be mixed, people start to look early to find teamates.

Read on the french "Mercato Forum".

Team for Epiphany => Luca, Josh, Will / Mo, Woods, Quentin.

Hope Luca, Josh & Will will have a slot, cause I really wann see that. Quentin and Woods and Mo as 2/3 from Rouen will have a slot and I really wanna see that as well.

What about Morgan with piks and dodi? Killer team?

Just a question but if they play together where will they play the EHBPC qualifiers ?

Morgan would be a very good pick for true danger. He was good a WHBPC, but he was way better at FHBPC, the Golden Goal game in the LB between WAAnimarc and True Danger was epic, from 2-2, Luca and Morgan were on fire, scoring amazing goals till 5-4. If WAA won that game Morgan would have been the MVP of the FHBPC.

No more We Are Animals for next season. Piks is not joinning the team, Salvo orginal member is back to Italy and Morgan is leaving the team.

Does it mean Piks and Dodi will play together next season ? Who will be the third ?

Wich team will join Morgan, after his great season with WAA ???

Silvio is checked by Polo since he is 13, so you can imagine how ready he'll be when he'll show up at the Euros next year.

I'm to involve to talk Emmet, but I can say

Hooks will play with Ben
CMD with Luca
Edison same Line up
Tonio (Anthony) is staying with Cool Story Bro.

I like the idea of Josh playing with True Dangers.
I guess We are animal, keep on going with the WHBPC Line up, Pompon, Morgan, Piks.

I won't join True Dangers or any other team. I won't have time enough to be involve in a team this season, so I'll show up for my favorite tournaments as épiphanie or FHBPC. I'll play those tournament as sub or with players I've always wanted to play with.

Also agreed. I want to see hockey style (not football style) penalty shots for fouls which have directly stopped a goal scoring chance. So as you say, mallet under the wheel from the last defender, or also a footdown in goal.

In fact I've been meaning to test this out in the next fun tournament I do.

I think if you're last defender and you stop the striker who's going to score in the empty net, you should be penalized by more than a penalty shot.

Cause shooting in empty net is 95% chance of scoring.

I would say scoring chance in a one on one is 30 to 70% depending of the players so it's a real disavantage and If I made a rationnal choice looks better to make a fault that letting a guy scoring in empty net.

To me fault as the last defender on someone able to score in empty net should be a penallty shot first.

If it's scored it's a goal, if not the player who make the fault is out for a minute or till next goal scored.

How many time you guys play a week ? 2-3 time a week ?

How many time you guys ref a year ? 2-3 time ?

I think you can have the clearest ruleset as possible, ref are not as good as ruleset at the moment because nobody is reffing enough.

For example concerning the Woods and Polo drama, the whole talk after the goal was about Polo's mallet under Woods Wheel or not. Wich not the case, so the goal was counted. But there was a rule really clear to canceled this goal.

"10.3.4 Hitting the mallet of a player with the 2 hands on the handelbar - will result in a warning or a penalty."

But it looks like nobody saw that in live. I was arguing about this play with Max, because I did not see that woods get the 2 hands on the handle bar, I was thinking he was playing the ball, otherwise I would have not try to argue cause clearly it was a proper fault.

So to me, you can't be a good ref if you're not reffing a lot as you can't be a good player if you're not play a lot, so we might start to ref the pick-up.

Smart dick:
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Dick move ?

Yes, that was a 5-0, not sure a 20min game would have change anything for Chicago this day. ;o)

Ok John & Jono.

That's why my point, we're not ready for this this summer. But It might be interessing to compare how the game is played, people feel, time played by people and many other things, in tournaments with limited and unlimited goals, it might be interessing to have 5 tournaments played with and 5 tournament played without.

It will probably be the only way to know what changed in the game.

Because it will allow the game to reach it's natural end and will show more disparity (or not) between those teams (this is hugely important for tournaments that use Podium's GD as the tie break). It also ensures tournaments can be scheduled more predictably and all teams the same amount of minimum court time for their registration fee.

I don't think teams should make a difference by killing weakest team instead of showing they're better to the other teams in face to face oppositions.

Concerning the amount of time spend on the court, it's not working anyway, a team wich is not qualified for the DE on the second day of a 2 days tournament, is playing less than the team winning. A team playing 5 rounds on the saturday, with the swiss round will lose 2-3 games max by 5-0 so they'll play somthing like 38min instead of 50min, wich is still nothing compare to a team who gonna play the final of the tournament and gonna play around 150min. Difference between 25% of the time of the winner and 33% is really light.

So to me the argument of the sharing the time spent on the court because we all pay the same fee should not be linked to the idea of unlimited goals or not.

This is not a problem inherent to unlimited goals. (Teams should be more professional/sportsmanlike regardless.)

Everyone is looking for fun playing polo. What's the fun of beating a team with a big difference, if a team is way better than an other so this team could not have fun, this team is just supposed to continue to score more and more.

Your individual experience may have been negative, but that is not a reason to disregard the benefits of unlimited goals... it is highly unlikely for finals to be so uneven (with few exceptions). You should learn to enjoy winning and the other team should be less flustered when conceding goals (this is a problem for most teams in polo as Cosmic Matt pointed out earlier, teams that stay calm under pressure should be allowed the opportunity to close the gap on a team with a convincing lead).

We're all sharing personnal experience I don't thing anyone can pretend to have the truth on this. My point is a team can come back from a -3, but I've never heard about a team coming back -4 in finale, that's why I guess none will be able to come back from a -5, but I might be wrong and I'm sure it might happend a day but in the same how uninteressing finale will finished with a big (uninteressing) gap ? I don't know, just asking.

There is no evidence to support this claim, actually the opposite is true (as now a team have the opportunity to increase their GD more substantially in each game and defending teams will be punished accordingly).

This is what I think, more goals in unbalanced games, is it really interessing ?

True enough, but that is not an accurate representation of the two team's ability to "win" the average polo game. I like a spectacle as much as anyone else, but there is very little reason to move the goalposts of a competitive event (during the later rounds) to appease the spectators of said event.

We have also had finals that were won in a couple minutes because one team had a shaky start and both teams are awesome on the attack (but not in defense), the ball's out approach of first to 5 has as many poor results as it does exciting/good results. I can remember many 30 minute games where the crowd started shouting "boring" (for example).

My preference is giving a team the ability to come from 5-0 down to win 6-5 (or whatever), that would truly be an exciting game, or a game where both teams constantly chase each other for the win (ending in double figures even).

It's still assumptions, as I told you before for 1 come back, how many boring finals ? None of us can give an answer. And one question is linked to all of this what time do you thinks game should be in tournament and mainly during the DE ? What was the game lenght just to know.

Statistically/logically there is no reason to use first to 5.

I'm not sure about that, as I told you I've checked at the results of Brighton Tournament last WE, and it looks like none of those game finished with a different winners due to the unlimited rules.

So it might be interested this summer to take all the informatons of the major tournaments played with limited goals and unlimited goals and compare the difference between the 2 to see how it influenced the game or not.

Yes Bill. ;o)

Not because I prefer limited goals games. But because the way you manage a game in one way or another is really different so I guess people should be used to it before having to play like that in a major tournament.

• My best polo memorie was final EURO 2010, between L'Equipe and Cosmic. 5-4 after a 40min game. We would have never seen that game with an unlimited goals game.
  
  

That was 40 of full intensity just because the guys were thinking about going to 5 and not thinking about this game will probably be long.

I thought that if we would have told the 2 teams that the game would have 40min long I'm pretty sure the would have not played with the same intensity.

I'm coming late into this.

I'm not a fan of the idea of unlimited goals. I'm not the kind of guy who don't want the game changed, but I think we should have some evolution only if it make the game change in a good way. And I don't see anything really interested the unlimited goals rules.

First, to me, a game who ended by a fast 5-0 is a boring, so why should we have to wait 5 more minute to continue to watch this game 5 more minutes to finish to a 10-0.

Many times I've heard around courts people complaining because a team looked pretentious because after 3-0 they were trying some spectacular plays. So how will it be if instead of doing it 3min they do it during 7min.

We played london BFF with unlimited goals, we won the final with a big gap, something like +10 or even more. I remembered how Luis was pissed on the court and how bad I felt between, it's a final I need to play my best and what the point of killing them, everybody is looking at this game.

From what I've seen (but I was not there, so I might be wrong, please correct me if I am) during Brigthon tournament last WE, the unlimited goals rule did not change any outcome.

To conclude my main point about this rule is, I think the game will move to a most defensive game with this rule. Cause if you lead 4-2 2min before the end of a game, with the 5 goals rules you can choose to defend or to kill the game with a 5th goals, but with the unlimited goals, the only option is defending. With SPD and bunny hopping defense are stronger and stronger don't give them an other argument to stay close to their goal.

So I think that with this rule we'll have more goals during unbalanced games and less during balanced games.

With the greatest respect, this is the London polo forum.

On one level, I admire you for having the front to compare yourself with 2nd rate french football player, but a part of me thinks je m'en fou de tout les francais.

A bientot.

Because it's your forum, you're the only one who could reply with a touch of humour. I thought you were a most open minded person Bill.

I touhght that was a Euro thread, but I might be wrong.

popcorn and beer and the discussions here and at lobp, awesome.
where's the respect in the scene? where the belief?

and as yorgo said:
"the 1%of european players who are selected to go to be Chicago Bench Minor can make their decision: what is more important to them? A bike Hockey ego-boosting fiesta in Yankeeland or a SERIOUS AS FUCK euro champ in crusty punk with dog land?"

I like how guys who don't have any idea of a situation come and give their point of view.

One of the main point concerning the draft for the BM in Chicago was, don't put your name on the list if you're not sure that you can't come to the event. We are 3 players from the same team (Maija's one), who were supposed to play the Euro as well !!!

I'm not the kind of guy who give my word to someone and then changed my mind one week later. I might understand that many people here don't think the BM is something important but consedring the time and the energy some guys in the US are spending to organise it, trust me it's something really big.

I try to control myself to stop to critisize the organisation of the EUro because it won't help anybody (even if I'm still thinking that things could have been done differently), but I d'like that peoples who don't know about anything just give us lessons and explain us how easy it is to take some decisions in life.

To conclude :

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it's because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea..."

Au revoir.

Hi guys I'm so desapointed since I know that I'll probably missed the Euros. But you make me laugh a lot, thx about that.

+1 New MGM, looks definitely better than the old one.

New Kid On The Bike - yours for a NKOTB CD.

To me, that's not a good idea.

You'll have a captain who will have to manage a team that he might have not chosen entierely ...

I think many captains won't necesserely choose the 10 best players, but the 10 players who make the best and most complementary team.

Managing is something difficult. Managers will be responsible for the result of their teams, so it's look better to me if the managers can choose the players adapted to the way they want the team play.

That's why we decided to make a bench minor tournament for the BFF in Paris. One court is not enought if you really want to play polo.

So it's only small tournament (invitational) or BM.

We already have 15 players on the list on the french forum, I think there will be at least 30 for the draft.

Still no manager, but it looks like few people might be interested.

So you can definitely consider there will be a french team on this bench minor.

Gentlemen be ready, the sons of "Guillaume le Conquérant" are coming.