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d'younow, I'd love to think the bike has gone somewhere it will be appreciated, but the fact that they left a very similar C50 and a Seven but took Henrys Specialised says that they haven't got a clue. To cap it all, the KTMs oil light came on today...

that's funny! I got one of the first sets of Lightweights that came into the country, then got the first pair of Ventoux - the rear broke and they had to recall all the rears they produced up to that point, I got another standard as a replacement, then found that Zabel used exactly the same setup :)

The wheels are safe and sound in the cellar, but me and and my mate were up half the night installing PIRs, alarms, security locks and lights. This morning I had to re-do all the locks that I'd put in cos they were the wrong way round.

This Duc (little asbo) is kept somewhere else, but there was one next to it that the probably couldn't get through the window and over the fence. 998s btw - a bit tricked up (60mm 998rs system there) - 153 at the wheel, but not for the road. I don't think Oliver would approve if I rode that in a bus lane.

so here it is, with best wheels and stand

'cos they get stolen a lot and it's more difficult to prove ownership than with a car or moto. Stupid thing is, this bike is worth more than a couple of my Ducatis. Thank god it didn't have the really good wheels on.

And the insurers know the average PcP isn't really interested in a 'push bike'. Doesn't see it as serious

Thanks mate - he's a big guy for 12 and went straight from a kids bike to a medium adults. Too easy for the chavs to pass up.

Thanks guys. The idiots that nicked it didn't take the others that were sat the other side of my Ducati - it was the closest one to the window...

And I'm off to get a BFO alarm - my 'bike shed' has a lot more toys they left and power : )

My pretty colnago got nicked last night - http://www.londonfgss.com/thread20083.html

If you get it back for me there's £500 in it for you. If you happen to hospitalise the thief in the process...

It finally happened. My place in the garden where I keep my bikes and motorbikes got broken into last night.

Fortunately only one bike was stolen, but it's a nice one (model is the same, colours are similar to this, proper pics to follow).

So, if you see a Colnago Extreme Power for sale with the following spec, please let me know - if you get the bike, there's £500 in it for you to donate to the charity of your choice : )

• 56cm slope (measures up as a 52-53)
  
• SRM Compact DuraAce chainset - don't think there are many more in the country. I still have the handlebar computer, so if one comes up without the computer...
  
• DuraAce 10 speed
  
• DuraAce deepsection carbon tubular wheels
  
• Black/black Dedatre tubulars
  
• Deda bars and stem
  
• White Signo saddle
  
• White bar tape
  
• Gold (real, proper gold) plated nokon gear cables
  There's precicely ONE bike that has this spec. If you see it, it's mine.
  
  

They also nicked my sons red Specialized mtb that he got for christmas and he's in tears this morning.

Kingston area.

Thanks in advance!

you're right :D

but it's so pretty !

Hello Jerry,

Are you saying that there is reliable evidence for allowing motorcyclists in bus lanes that can be applied in London? Please refer me to it first so I can have a look at what it is you're looking at.

If you think it's reliable, the burden of proof is on you (or whoever claimed it was reliable in the first place) to show that it is. Perhaps, to save us work, someone has already explained why they think it's reliable. If you don't think it is reliable, you and I may simply differ in our interpretation of this evidence, and in that way we'll have a sound basis for discussion.

There is certainly other evidence from which a 'most likely' scenario arises, as I outlined, subject to further study. I make no claim that this is a reliable outcome, but only that it is most likely based on what we do know. From this arises a genuine worry that the Mayor is moving ahead on policy without a reliable evidence basis when there are indicators to the contrary.

Just to be clear: This is not a point about the behaviour of individual road users. That requires the usual wider point about people in general--whatever mode of transport people use, there will always be some that do it inconsiderately, and that tells us nothing interesting. No-one who understands transport is prejudiced against classes of road user, and such prejudice has no place in any evidence-gathering exercise. The question is rather whether certain measures are desirable as public policy. This is where the worry arises, which is why I talked about the 'big picture'.

Cheers,
Oliver
LCC

Oliver, no, I have no idea if there is reliable data - you said there was little reliable data. If that's correct, I was asking what was the rest of your post based on if not speculation.

Where the TfL studies were run, they showed that there was either no clear result, or that motorcyclists using bus lanes was marginally beneficial to all road users. London is one of the only, if not the only major city in this country where motorcyclists are not allowed to use bus lanes. Cyclists in other cities do not wake up with a Ducati planted between their butt cheeks, so what makes London special? Exactly why do you think that it's possible for cyclists and motorcyclists to share road space without carnage? What do you expect to happen?

I'd be the first to admit that motorcycles can be loud and seem overly aggressive on the road, but I would suggest that is perception, not reality. Motorcyclists are very aware of their own mortality and as I said earlier, usually see experienced cyclists as people who are as vulnerable, or more vulnerable as themselves.

Your points below:
[INDENT]*Just to be clear: This is not a point about the behaviour of individual road users. That requires the usual wider point about people in general--whatever mode of transport people use, there will always be some that do it inconsiderately, and that tells us nothing interesting. No-one who understands transport is prejudiced against classes of road user, and such prejudice has no place in any evidence-gathering exercise. The question is rather whether certain measures are desirable as public policy. This is where the worry arises, which is why I talked about the 'big picture'.*
[/INDENT]Many people see Ken Livingstons attempt to bury the TfL report as blatant prejudice. Are you saying that he didn't understand transport when he was mayor? Clearly, I'm no politician, but I become extremely concerned when politicians start talking about the 'big picture' - sounds like they've run out of reasoned argument and are just doing what they want to do because they can.

Oliver, I don't know you and I'm reasonably sure you don't know me, so an intro: I have been riding bikes (pedal) for about 30 years. I currently own 7 Colnagos and 2 Bianchis and I've just bought something to ride with my kids to encourage them onto two wheels. This year is the first ever, when I've covered more miles in powered vehicles than pedal-power. Well, maybe a couple of years I flew some big distances, but that aside. I would love to get more people onto two wheels and applaud your work in promoting cycling in this city, but, when you're signing your posts 'LCC', please ensure they are accurate and don't exhibit bias: you are implying that you are representing the views of London cyclists, and that includes me.

Enjoy!

[INDENT]

Motorcyclists ...bus lanes...
There is little reliable data

[/INDENT]ok, so what's with this:
[INDENT]

, but the most likely big picture consequences are going to be a greater number of motorcyclists system-wide, as well as greater avoidance by pedal cyclists. There is also a distinct possibility of greater numbers of pedestrian Killed and Seriously Injured (KSI) casualties, and to a lesser extent cyclist KSIs.

It's a retrograde step that goes against some of the advances that have been made in London on benign and sustainable transport in the last few years, for sure.

Oliver
LCC

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opinionated, self-interested speculation?

All the evidence gathered on motorcyclists using bus lanes shows that it's beneficial for everyone, even for pedestrians as they're less likely to step out into the road without looking first. Refering to one of the posts at the top of this thread, motorcyclists can and do often give cycists 3m passing room and choose the time and place to pass carefully.

Motorcyclists are almost unique among road users in that we spend hundreds of pounds and many hours on extra training to make us safer, for ourselves and others.

Granted, there are some that ride inconsiderately, but the majority see the similarities between serious cyclists and motorcyclists and treat cyclists accordingly. Scooters, now there's another thing - barely trained and lacking competence. Similar to... Andy, what's the term? Dayglo numpties?

bags are ok, boxes are better, but they cost a lot, they're a major pain to store and transport and they weigh a lot on their own. Horses for courses.

Hi, is it 54cm c2c or c2top (Colnago measurement?)

J.

all this takes me back to when I started out racing a while ago. Rode with Clarence Wheelers, which was run by a lovely old bloke called Alf. He had a thing for fixed and used to make all his young riders do a few seasons on fixed before putting them on geared bikes.

One bike I had for a while stuck in my memory: a Geoffrey Butler 753 in white with red graphics and red airlite hubs with Clement silks. I rode that at Hearne Hill a few times and took it to Calshott for some scarey sessions. We also had a track tandem available, witch was terrifyingly fast around there. Nice tho.

any event that finishes at the top of a mountain is just biassed to skinny bast'ds. Now, where did I put that wheatgerm...

I'll stick to taking the position I think is safest for me. If it fucks off some moto behind me, tough, get a real bike. ;)

Agreed. I think most motorcyclists assume this is what any other vunerable road user will do.

With regard to the perception of safety, I found this document which demonstrates just how far removed from the actual facts the LCC et al are distorting it

...Motorcycle: 50

So the LCC's claim that motorbikes are loads more likely to hit you than a car, is quite frankly, politically motivated bullshit, created by a severe distortion of statistics to suit their aims...

That's funny! Reminds me of a discussion with a Friends of Richmond Park idiot about the 20mph limit in the park. He said that speed was a significant factor in most accidents - I told him that when I've been knocked off bikes and motorbikes it's people travelling less than the speed limit that were the problem. He then said that my evidence was not statistically significant, and anyway, most of his cycling buddies couldn't do 20mph on their bikes, so they were happy. Tw@

^^ you a ducati rider?

sorry, just saw this. Yes, got a couple.

I think the law nowadays allowed motorbikes to have performance exhaust without a noise limited, does that have any effect on the pollution? (beside noise pollution).

no, EU legislation states that motorcycles should conform to noise and pollution standards. However, cats add to a motorcycles fuel consumption, weight and don't have anything like the same impact on pollutants as cats fitted to cars (which have electric heaters to get them up to operating temperatures quickly). Since quiet motorcycles are just as likely to be hit as bikes, many motorcyclists fit louder exhausts as a safety feature. Some of these exhausts ditch the cats too.

Here's the joined up part: EU law tests motorcycles at the point of sale - type approval. The MOT test for motorcycles doesn't include a test for noise or emissions. So there is nothing at all to stop a motorcyclist removing cats and quiet pipes and literally throwing them in the bin.

If I was in your position, not being able to get into an ASL, I would just politely ask the motorcyclist to move forward so you can get into a safer position on the road. Most people would happily move.

Oh, and as a motorcyclist to a cyclist: red lights mean... :D

(understand why, just saying!)

I'm still not 100% convinced by tubs, even the tour riders are switching to clinchers for downhill sections cause of the heat/glue/rolling tire problems.

Anyway, my clinchers run happy over 10 bar (run them at 150 psi) and only weight about 180g so about 240g with a standard tube. My tubs run at 170psi and weigh about 220g each + about 60g of glue, and don't feel any different really.

I appreciate what you're saying, but I have thousands of miles on tubs and have never seen any issues with rolling - I get some reasonable speeds on the mountains myself - downhill, before Andy pitches up again.

In fact, the only tyre issues I've seen on a mountain were a clincher blowing out due to excess heat on the sidewalls and a mate bust a Corima (clincher) on a descent on the Etape one year, which lead Corima to state that their wheels aren't recommended for downhills.

IMHO, a tub rim is an easier design to get right, certainly in carbon.

Jerry, what is your commute? I am liking the idea of a biker buddy.

Kingston Hill, A3, then south of the river until Westminster Bridge. Fun!

and at Christmas time, that's a welcome sight

mmm, kind of do really :) If I don't buy another Ducati, I might look at that instead.

Tubs score on reduced rim weight and increased strength. I have one pair of clincher rims that I use with Armadillo tyres for occasional commuting and a shed load of tub rims for various purposes. One set has done 4 amateur Tour of Flanders - check the cobbled sections on that ride :(

Tubs are more forgiving on a longer ride and aren't that much of a pain to change compared to a difficult clincher - what are those Michelin tyres? Major PIA to change.

More carbon filth, Colnago style;

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Colnago-C-50-Carbon-Pista-Beautiful-MINT-54cm_W0QQitemZ160294768065QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item160294768065&_trkparms=39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A1|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14

doesn't fit freaky sized people :D I saw that too.

that's just wrong!