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2 Anyone know what would happen if you stripped a frame and anodised it? Would it be durable...?

Cheers.

Matt

Anodizing leaves a very hard layer on alloy, it makes the alloy more durable than without anodizing.

Damn ! Bad luck Mr 14, hope you heal up fast.

^ yup beater sans HED 3, looks beautiful with the Campys!

+1,000,000

HED 3s look great on a modern track frame, but seem out of place on a classic steel lugged set up.

Colour me bad - "I Wanna Sex You Up"

Anyone know what disabilities these blokes have ?

Spray mount.

bit naughty giving him a slap when he was down, though...

That's when I do my best work.

Okay, you're against people believing in god. I'm not, though I don't share their beliefs.

Yes, I am against people believing in god**. (for the love of a rolling eyes icon!)

[puts head in hands and weeps for the death of nuanced conversation]

;) goodnight.

**just in case it is not obvious, no I am not against the freedom to believe whatever it is one believes, in fact I cannot see even how you could stop someone from believing what they believe - outside of some enforced chemical control of their brain)

I'm not anti-god, I just believe there isn't one. As I said, for some people the 'god' construct helps them get through the day. I don't have a problem with that. Hence my choice of words. But if you prefer to think of yourself as anti-god, then fair enough, if that gets you through your day.

To be clear, a 'theist' is someone who believes in god. An 'anti-theist' is someone who is against those who believe in god, So to describe myself as 'anti-theist' is to say I am against religion not 'anti-god' (as I do not think such things exist that would be a nonsense).

Also, being 'anti-theist' does not help get me through the day anymore that being against racism, infant execution or torture helps get me through the day.

Nobody's in particular. Generally I don't try to convince the religious that they are wrong in their beliefs, but some people do, and we have had interminable discussions on these boards about that. I thought you were referring to some of those discussions, so wrote in that context.

The only thing I was drawing from those discussions was support for the idea that to question, quiz or challenge religious notions draws much hostility from a culture that (whilst not necessarily religious itself) sees the challenging of other peoples supernatural beliefs to be beyond the pale.

My question to you was about your use of the word 'knee-jerk' I was confused (and still am) as to what it refers?

Getting off-topic now, though, aren't we? Can we go back to Palin being a wingnut?

Are you American ? What is a 'wingnut' ?

Hmmm. I'm a pretty committed atheist myself

I find it hard to adopt the label 'atheist', there is nothing else in my life that I think is non-existent that I feel the need to adopt as a label for myself, for instance I would not describe myself as an atheist any more than I would describe my self as a-unicornist or a non-fascist or non-racist - maybe I am just being technical, but it seems, to me at least, odd that I should, when talking to chemists, view myself somehow as an a-alchemist ?

I think calling myself anti-theist, maybe more honest.

but the fact that some of my family are pastors (who believe in the Rapture, though what they understand by it is more metaphysical than what Palin's pastor appears to think) means I find it very hard to agree with knee-jerk anti-religiosity.

What 'knee-jerk anti-religiosity' are talking about ?

To be fair to him, Brown distanced himself from the Bush Admin pretty promptly after entering No. 10.

And the yanks will continue to matter so long as they continue to be the world's largest economic and military power. Even more so now that there are credible challenges to the former, and clear limits to the latter.

As of 2006/7 the European Union is the world's largest economy (just), not the US.

The EU's GDP hit $14.5 trillion and the U.S's production came in at $13.9 trillion. Most analysts agree that China will be the world's largest economy within 10-15 years, putting the U.S third (or possibly 2nd depending on the EU's performance).

Christ, her pastor thinks that Alaska is a 'Refuge State' for the 'End Times' and that they need a big old oil pipeline out there in the wilderness so that can be strong enough for the Rapture. I mean, her worldview seems to be like Rush Limbaugh meets Vladimir Putin.

:)

One thing that stuck me when I saw the 'Refuge State' speech was less that this is a very dangerous divorce from reality and a descent into end times fantasy (the ultimate Christian turn on) - but that it washed over me as easily as a London mayoral candidate saying he or she was going to extend or curtail the congestion charge zone.

These kinds of fantastic claims to knowledge are becoming increasingly commonplace, to claim that the creator of the universe talked directly to your brain the night before and told you that you and your kind are the chosen ones (or some other fantastic claim) should, quite rightly, mean you are carted off to be assessed by someone whose profession is to help those who find it hard to separate fantasy from reality.

But instead we stand and applaud these mammals (© C.H), to even challenge what it is they have said with regard to their outrageous religious claims is seen as beyond the pale (this is all pervasive, I have even witnessed it here on this very forum, the idea that to question a supernatural world view is somehow inappropriate and challenging someone's unevidenced claims about reality should be silenced).

Oddly, even with my barely disguised hostility towards these kinds of people - I would still prefer a Republican victory rather than a Democratic one :(

Sad but true, I feel a little bit like a radical left wing student voting for Maggie in the early nineties :( :(

Dude, I meant GW Bush. Yes, "we" was a bit unclear but he still has a lot of influence over my life even though he is not "my" president.

:)

Whoops ! Sorry my mistake I misread you !!!!

cycling in LA: fucking scary. drivers are insane as this wonderful citizen illustrates:
http://tinyurl.com/5zellj

What a fucking cunt !

Unbelievable, I hope he gets a custodial sentence, I really do, wow, what a fucking cunt.

Passport photo:

I am shaped like a soft pear.

"Figures state (and take these with a pinch of salt as I have heard figures from 4% to 11% so am averaging) that - simply due to his age (72) - John McCain has around a 7% chance of dying during his first term and a 26% of dying in his second term (he would be 80 as his 2nd term closes).

Although this in itself doesn't sound particularly interesting, it does mean that in the (not unlikely) event of McCain's death - a right wing inexperienced fundamentalist Christian mother - who considers the war in Iraq to be a holy war, believes in creationism and that on death she is amongst those chosen by god and will ascend to heaven - would have her hand on the Nuclear button."

I think she does support the dual teaching of creationism and darwinism in schools

Darwinism ? This is generally considered a pejorative, used almost exclusively by creationists in the US to attempt an attack on 'speculation through natural section' by giving it connotations of religion, similar to their use of 'Scientism'.

Anyhow nomenclature aside . .

What the problem is not is that creationists want to have creationism (sold under the guise of 'Intelligent Design') taught exclusively in schools (although I don't doubt some fringes may want this) - the problem is that they want to have creationism taught alongside evolutionary theory.

What I mean to say is that your response (if I have read it right) seems to say "Actually she is not that bad, she is in fact quite fair about all this as she wants evolution and creationism taught on a fair and level playing field." (rather than some full on fundementalist who wants only creationism to be taught).

This is problematic because creationism is religious mythology and should have no place being taught as fact in a science class.

We may as well have the dual teaching of Astrology and Astronomy or Alchemy and Chemistry - creation myths like the Chinese Cosmic Egg theory of the origin of the universe.

Wading into dangerous territory here.

People can do what the hell they like with their own bodies., If that includes destroying a bundle of nerve cells living within it then so be it. Fuck pro-lifers they make me sick. As do Creationalists. Anybody who refuses to acknowledge Science and Evolution as the only truth is dangerously stupid and I worry for the future of the planet with these retards in charge

RANT OVER

Picking selectively from your post:

Yes, the future of the planet is threatened by man's increasing willingness to descend into fantasy to deal with reality, religion to me is a greater and more imminent threat to our long term than even global warming.

btw I am not pro-life just think the debate gets polarised by both sides too quick

Same here, I am not pro-life (anti-choice) but people take such extreme absolutes on this subject, it rapidly becomes a simple 'yes' or 'no' question, where the real debate is much more nuanced.

Obama is not going to completely change the way that the US engages with the world or make a huge difference to major policies.

+1

"Although this in itself doesn't sound particularly interesting, it does mean that in the (not unlikely) event of McCain's death - a right wing inexperienced fundamentalist Christian mother - who considers the war in Iraq to be a holy war, believes in creationism and that on death she is amongst those chosen by god and will ascend to heaven - would have her hand on the Nuclear button."

Well, isn't that what we have now? (Apart from the mother bit)

No, not at all, I think Gordon Brown is a fairly moderate Christian - he (unlike Palin) does not believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old, nor does he reject evolutionary theory on the basis of a fundamentalist reading of the bible, nor does he believe woman should have no right to chose an abortion (even in the case of rape induced pregnancy or life threatening complications) - nor does he subscribe to numerous other right wing Christian fundamentalist ideas.

The Start:

Wow ! that's pretty freaking nice ! Steel ? Alloy ?

Our lord and saviour doth not indulge in onanism

The doctrine of the Holy Trinity states that the Lord our God (for Yahweh be his name) consists of God the Father, God the Son (incarnate as Jesus Christ), and God the Holy Spirit - that is: Jesus is God (the substance of God).

So as Mary was gifted of a child, made heavy with hope and had her heart filled with the joy of bringing forth a child of god - and this gift was not delivered as man gifts a woman - that is: the exchange of earthly seed, my best bet was that God (as shown: Jesus) must have knocked one out while he was on the shitter and done Mary with a turkey baster.

nought to do with her views or policies.

Of course.

the main claim here was that Barrack was very inexperienced, I thought the mating of him with a "safe pair of hands" would be a decent balance?

That's the line the Democrats are running with, yes.

Figures state (and take these with a pinch of salt as I have heard figures from 4% to 11% so am averaging) that - simply due to his age (72) - John McCain has around a 7% chance of dying during his first term and a 26% of dying in his second term (he would be 80 as his 2nd term closes).

Although this in itself doesn't sound particularly interesting, it does mean that in the (not unlikely) event of McCain's death - a right wing inexperienced fundamentalist Christian mother - who considers the war in Iraq to be a holy war, believes in creationism and that on death she is amongst those chosen by god and will ascend to heaven - would have her hand on the Nuclear button.