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thanks mdcc_tester, I'll consider what you're saying. Do you do consulting?

both dealers and direct

next year I might kick the whole cheap bike thing and put together something good, but I'm still figuring out what works best and balancing between what dealers want and what consumers want (rarely the same thing)

Thanks chriscofferson and malaysian, very helpful

I'm just starting my company, so feedback like this is what I need. mdcc_tester seems to think everything should be perfect and that only big companies should be in the business. Work for Trek or pack your bags.

thanks scoot

I do say on the assembly instructions, as a disclaimer, that if you do not know what you're doing take it to a bike shop to have it assembled.

I don't customise these bikes.

Ada - you have a good idea. I'll put a contest together to give a few of these away to prove that they aren't just another nasty bike

Sacredheart - you're comparing apples to oranges with that track geometry fixie with a completely different ride characteristic

and worth every penny

extra - you're not being an ass - that's the kind of feedback I need

mdcc_tester - I stand corrected about the welding, but cheap steel frames have tons of issues, like tubing flaring from constant use and because the drop outs are made so thin and flimsy they lead to failures. The steel itself lends itself to lots of oxidisation, more then aluminium and more problems.

I skipped colours to keep the price down and give people a better frame and wheels

good steel is the most superior but costs a lot more

cheap steel versus good quality aluminium

Cartridge bearings are failing all the time on all wheels that use them, that's why shimano never uses them. I have been riding my cone bearings hubs for two years with just a clean up once in a while, zero failures

rims are made as good as name brand rims (material and build quality), just because they don't have a recognised brand name, doesn't make them any worse

spot welding is where you place melted material in gaps between two parts to in a sense, 'glue' them together preventing the steel chainring from just turning round and round on the aluminium crank arms. It's cheap way to do it, but it's effective for the most part. Not as nice as a cold forged crank with chainring bolts for the chainring, but cheap cranks are cheap cranks

oz - can you be more specific

the saddle needs to be at a better angle

haha. wicked

This is an aluminium track racing frame. The tubes, the welding and the alloy used are all high quality and if you rode one, you would see. The power that gets put to the road relative to your effort is much better then a heavy, flexy hi-tensile steel frame from create, unipack, etc. The longevity of the tubing is also much better then cheap steel.
The wheels are a similar story. The alloy used for the rims is same as expensive aluminium rims, unlike create and the others, not to mention stainless steel spokes which won't seize up after the first winter. The hubs are standard cones and bearings which are realiable and can be repacked unlike cheap cartridge bearings which can't take the loads that hubs are put through.
Selling only these things might be the answer, but I figured a complete bike would be easier to sell. So...

Okay, I get it. I was trying to kill too many birds with one stone. Good to know.

Sacredhart - how should I word this to get the feedback I'm after. Or is Ada right and I'm just barking up the wrong tree because this bike is below the normal quality level expected here. Advertising and selling is secondary to me here.

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I sell more to shops then anything else...

I'm going to get away from ebay and get some feedback and public opinion. I would rather cancel the ebay listing then stop talking to you guys. Abuse and all...

It conforms to the standards

They spot weld the steel chainring to the aluminium arms.

andyp - thanks for the feedback

is that better?