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there are quite a discussion going on in media and on thier website. I just entertained myself for one hour, reading on thier discussion board.

imagine if a fixed gear rider did this. then alot of ppl would feel bad about fixed gear riders. Now its the same thing but people dont like environmentalists.too bad imho.

what does the size of a car really have to do with emissions (well most often a bigger car needs more fuel)?! because thats the issiue here,emissions, not the space its taking up on the road. there are other far more bigger dangers out there than cars taking up many cubic meters.. like drunk drivers, old drivers etc etc.

..I read about one SUV that theyve deflated.it had big flouresend writing saying "veterinary on-call duty" and at 4 in the morning this guy got a call and had to go out to a farm (4wd needed) to give birth to a calf. it died because he didnt get there on time. it might have died anyways but still...

those cnuts deflated a lexus rx hybrid wich belonged to my neighbour living next to me. theyre just a bunch of confused 13 to 19 years old teenagers who wants better enviorment but dont know how they should get it. I'll go to thier annual meeting that theyre having every year and tell them how umbrageously upset I am.
what a bunch of unlearned, ignorant preadolescent kids...

tomasito [quote]Nephs aha... that's how it should be done...

hows yours holding up nephs?[/quote]

They're actually holding up just fine. Ive been riding it a lot and still havent seen a crack orsign of a break. havent painted the frame yet thou, just added some paint to prevent rust and duct taped the frame.

Lets say they've more than met all of my non-existent expectations...

aha... that's how it should be done...

two days, one crash and a few curb-drops. -I have a good feeling about these drop outs.
paint is coming. or maybe i should just get me some of those "what a..."-stickers.

mix up two deciliters of porridge oats with four deciliter water --- microwave for 3 min, add apple sauce and milk. voilá

cheap, quick and healthy.

As soon as it gets warmer and dry outside I'll do the ride.. starting in the dark early in the morning and try to get home before midnight. This will occur in late april/early may. Ill post a note along with some pictures.

What gear ratio do you reckon is best to use?

Ive been looking up this brake thing.. Ive seen in forums etc. that you must have "two independent brakes" (not 100% confirmed)
There's nothing in the swedish law about fixed wheel beeing a brake or not. Until someone recives a bill and decides not to pay and blah blah you know the drill, until then we dont know wether its considered a brake or not. But they say that the bike has to be equipped according to swedish regulations, wich means you need a brake (foot operated or lever operated -interpret your self) and a bell (I dont think they'll refuse you to start if you dont have a bell..) and when it's dark you also need front and rear light (white/yellow and red, NOT flashing), white reflector front, red reflector rear and yellow/orange or white reflectors to the sides. This is quoted and translated from the swedish road administration.

Im doing this fixed, but probably a few weeks before the actual race (the starting times are individual, it costs too much and I dont want to buy two brakes. you can also watch the weather forecast and postpone it)

I live 50km away from the starting point, so make it 400km for me. <15-20h. no hurry.

no i dont do sky lifts.
im not working as an engineer... im studying. The guy who did the welding said he was experienced, he's becoming an engineer in six months. We did the welding in the workshop at uni. the two I showed it for actually works for saab aero, theyre working on "JAS 39 Gripen". if you dont want to get killed by it just dont mess with the countries that use those planes in thier air force. shouldnt be too hard i guess. But of course these guys have no clue about bike frames so Ill just grab my coat and call a cab... just forget about it. I just wanted to tell you that people have seen it and thinks it should work fine. them beeing engineers or not might not be relevant, i dunno. but im not expecting you to ask for the welders number

edit: just to eliminate any chance of misunderstanding, the guy claimed to be a experienced welder, not experienced engineer.

this all feels irrelevant for some reason.. the drop outs still gonna look the same

Sky Lifts

the fork is stripped too. it was a swedish "Cyclepro".
what good will a break do anyway? If it breaks down a hill i think the friction against the tarmac will do fine as a break..

this will still be my regular ride, and no I didnt weld those drop outs myself:

yepp thats how I was planning to do it. I'll do it more properly next time.
Just ordered a set of Dura Ace track hubs, wont afford a new frame in a while, at least not until the king of sweden decides to pay out study grant again.

i've must have translated the title wrong, mechanical engineers migh be a more suitable title. however it wont help me out when im lying on the street with broken bones and spokes.

but as the brick said, some of the old drop outs had to be left on the "upper" tubes, and theres no couple force (it can at least be neglected) on that welding. The downer ones has about 1,5-2cm2 contact with pretty thick metal and are welded "around that", in lenght direction approx 15mm. kinda hard to explain.

this is the same drop out shown from both sides.

my biggest concern, however, is that it looks like shit with the two angles meeting. I should have just milled my own ones and made them bigger and "longer".

I wonder what Im trying to do here.. Am I trying to convince you all that it actually is going to work? -well that wont make them stronger, thats for sure..

thank you for all your opinions. Im keeping them all in mind when Im going out for my first test ride. and I'll wear a helmet, no brake thou, the frame is completely stripped. I should also say that this frame was a half decent mtb frame 10 years ago, and I was just about to throw it away or sell it for six pack of beer when I came up with this idea. the drop outs costed me about two packs of smokes, and here I am sitting inside on a friday wich means I already compensated economically for this project.

Im enthusiastic and gaining knowledge (and experience) everyday, it's great having you here to teach me!

chris crash i see a clip,but no strap

oh, did someone just add that clip or did I actually not notice it before? -I need to se an optician.

well he's probably not with us today, even with those clips

this guy is probably dead by now... flatties, brake less and that bar. he looks baked too.

IF it breaks, it probably not gonna snap off just like that, I'll probably see some cracks first, then hopefully only one side breaks before the other. I mean, they wont snap off at the same time. I should also say that Im not planning to ride this bike in terrain, If it doesent break when I ride down a curb, Im happy. Im gonna ride it unpainted til it gets warm enough to spray outside, or til I find someone who can do some powder coating for a small amount of money.

I've showed the bike for a few friends (theyre all working as civil engineers and hopefully they know a little bit about materials etc.) and they think it will work.

And just to show you all how strong it is =)=)=)=)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW_HrmS-Oeg

haha

that's great news!

It sure looks like shit but im pretty sure the welder knew what he did... or maybe he didnt... we discussed brazing, but I couldnt for all in the world get the distance to the seat tube long enough if I did that.

Im gonna use my static engineering mechanics skill to make a few calculations.

how about adding on some of this:

Alright give me serious replies on this one: How can I make a decent test to see if they works?

Did some welding today, or a "friend" of mine did. Turned out okay, the spacing is perfect at they´re completely parallel, what more can you ask for?

This is by the way how the build is going to turn out as its finished. the stem should be black thou, spokes as well and the nipples should be gold (well not actually "made of gold", but you get me)

eyebrows Def. want to head up to sweden sometime.

make sure you dont stay too long. and visit during summer. -then i bet sweden is alright.

edit: just realized I thought of London as something equivalent to Sydney or L.A in terms of weather. At least we've got some snow.. or usually we have snow this time of year, keep on recycling your plastic bags!

alright guys/girls heres another one for you.

recived the drops today, looks nice, but im facing a few problems. they're pretty small.. I wont be able to make a "notch" in the frame and fit them and weld. I can place them closer to the seat tube than the originals. maybe the easiest and safest would be to just fit some extra tubes overlapping the old ones and then weld the drops on to the "extensions". Anyone done/seen anything like that?

thanks

I was this close hitting a roe deer yesterday: --------------------------------------------

It was dark, I was drunk and I was in a hurry, spinning at 140rpm.

Thanks alot for all the info!
I have decided to change the drop outs, Im getting rid of all unuseful "shit" (dont really know the names, but you know all the wire-stuff and brakes-stuff) on the frame and respraying it anyway. I think I know someone who is handy with the TIG so that wont be a problem.

And here's the drop outs as the look now.
I used a simple ruler to measure, so I might be a few deegres off.
(ohh I was the coolest kid with this colour on the frame and with the baby blue nokian boazobeana fitted.. good old days)

next up: beer

kboy that makes us two swedes, tjena!

härligt!

tynan Welcome.

With vertical dropouts your best option in to build the back wheel with a White industries ENO™ hub.
It fits normal MTB vertical dropout and can be rotated to tension the chain.

Link: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/white-hubs.html

They are available in 135mm, 130mm and 126mm spacings.

weird. ive been looking at those hubs wondering why they got that excentric look... now i know. thanks a lot for the tip.

the problem is I was planning to get a whole wheel set for the price of that hub! If you look at my presentation it says "student"...

anyone ever fitted a fixed hub to vertical dropouts?

Yeah It might nog be the best bag, but imagine beeing able to say "Thanks, I like it too and you know what I made it myself, from old plastic bags!"

Im out tearing down vinyl signs...

cheers mates (oh thats aussie-lian, seen a few of them here so I guess that makes me accepted by everyone? -even been there a few times!)