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LFGSS and Microcosm shutting down 16th March 2025 (the day before the Online Safety Act is enforced)
Have tried condensing it a bit and simplifying some of the language, hopefully that will help.
Dear [local MP],
I am writing to you about the Online Safety Act, due to come into force March 17th 2025.
The act was originally meant to hold large social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter liable for harmful content. Yet it was set out in such broad and vague terms that small online forums - run by sports clubs, hobby societies and other community groups - face being regulated out of existence. Please see the recent news coverage:
Hundreds of websites to shut down under UK’s ‘chilling’ internet laws
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/12/17/hundreds-of-websites-to-shut-down-under-chilling-internet/
Death Of A Forum: How The UK’s Online Safety Act Is Killing Communities
https://www.techdirt.com/2024/12/20/death-of-a-forum-how-the-uks-online-safety-act-is-killing-communities/
Hundreds of small websites may shut down due to UK's Online Safety Act
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2461213-hundreds-of-small-websites-may-shut-down-due-to-uks-online-safety-act/
Britain's online safety rules come into force, and sites are already shutting down.
https://boingboing.net/2024/12/18/britains-online-safety-rules-come-into-force-andl-ocal-sites-are-already-shutting-down.htmlThese forums are extremely important social spaces. They bring people with common interests together, serving as an important outlet for personal development and expression, and combatting loneliness and social isolation. In many cases, these communities exist solely within the realm of their online forums.
Most often the forums are run by volunteers or members of non-profit organisations. Understandably, they are not equipped for the overly onerous and complex compliance effort required to meet the proposals of the act. The personal liability risk in operating these forums poses a serious threat to their survival.
I believe regulation serves an important purpose, particularly where it pertains to the online safety of our children, and applaud its introduction. However, the proposed requirements, in their current form, will have a disproportionate impact on the above mentioned communities.
I therefore politely request that you to look into this matter and intercede with the Secretary of State to consider incorporating changes into the advice received from Ofcom, to align the requirements with the nature, size and resources of these self-organized communities (which are an expression of the centuries-old British tradition of associativism), minimising the impact of the act in their operation and ensuring their continued existence.
Kind regards
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This was what I always aimed at, but as people's payment methods expired, etc... well, I just made up the difference and didn't both to do a focused fundraise in recent years.
This part makes me consider the value of adding Patreon as an option. Because (a) they'll do the chasing bit for you if someone's card expires, and (b) it's an easy option to include for people that already subscribe to support various other ventures.
It might not be the most efficient option financially, but its popularity is a strength which could reduce the barrier to entry enough to offset that.
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LFGSS and Microcosm shutting down 16th March 2025 (the day before the Online Safety Act is enforced)
Thanks @moocher and @Sparky, have updated the post here - https://www.lfgss.com/comments/17616647/
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One other reason that I think saving LFGSS is important.
This is something that relies on itself.
There are so many examples in recent history of big tech companies growing based on the good will of their userbase, and then reneging on that implied social contract. They either pull the rug out from under you, or they start doing something that is actively against the users.
Some examples spring to mind:
- Twitter and Reddit forcing the use of their official app, resulting in the end of development of 3rd party clients, or Strava and Spotify curtailing API usage
- Youtube growing through on user-generated content and then restricting those users' ability to monetise it
- Stack Overflow selling users' content as AI training data without their consent, and banning them for protesting against it
- Social media platforms algorithmically reducing the visibility of posts that link out to other sites
I'm sure there are many other examples of enshittification. But this particular form in which you build your "product" on someone else's "platform", and then they yank it out from under you, is one that really troubles me in our potential move to Discord.
Yes, LFGSS relies on @Velocio (hugely!), and Linode, and Cloudflare, and so on. But those relationships are very different than the cases I've outline above - hopefully that is clear. In a sense, it's a platform whose only motivation is to serve itself as best it can. I think that makes LFGSS so special as a place where a genuine sense of community is fostered.
- Twitter and Reddit forcing the use of their official app, resulting in the end of development of 3rd party clients, or Strava and Spotify curtailing API usage
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Map doesn't work for me on Community Fibre either.
I'm getting a 502 error on the request to this RM service - https://www.royalmail.com/capi/rml/bf/v1/locations/branchFinder
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LFGSS and Microcosm shutting down 16th March 2025 (the day before the Online Safety Act is enforced)
Here is a football forum of ~40k members discussing the matter:
https://www.footballforums.net/index.php?threads/online-safety-bill-is-ff-at-risk.284012/
I had a quick check around some of the forums of the bigger teams, and couldn't find any of them talking about it -
https://www.redcafe.net/forums/ Man Utd 40k members
https://www.utdforum.com/forum/ Man Utd 10k members
https://thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/ Spurs 10k members
https://spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?forums/ Spurs 27k members
https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/ Liverpool 45k members
https://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php Liverpool 20k members
https://www.theshedend.com/ Chelsea 17k members
https://forum.talkchelsea.net/ Chelsea 16k membersThat's 185k forum members going on their merry way...
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LFGSS and Microcosm shutting down 16th March 2025 (the day before the Online Safety Act is enforced)
These two posts are somewhat positive, but don't really address @Velocio 's primary concern of personal targeting.
https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=111867.msg5797470#msg5797470
https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=111867.msg5797488#msg5797488
Also added this link to a 2022 article from the admin of Mumsnet - https://archive.is/16lyo - as I wasn't able to find anything recent from them.
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LFGSS and Microcosm shutting down 16th March 2025 (the day before the Online Safety Act is enforced)
In case it's useful for having links in one place, here are some -
Forum shutdown announcements:
LFGSS - https://www.lfgss.com/conversations/401475/
GamingOnLinux - https://www.gamingonlinux.com/forum/topic/6463/
Ready To Go - https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/the-end-of-the-forum-is-nigh.1646227/News articles:
Telegraph - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2024/12/17/hundreds-of-websites-to-shut-down-under-chilling-internet/ (https://archive.is/QHGqk)
Computing - https://www.computing.co.uk/news/2024/legislation-regulation/online-safety-act-obligations-spark-concern-among-small-sites
The Times - https://www.thetimes.com/comment/article/online-clampdown-puts-sites-like-mine-at-agitators-mercy-k0707wccl (https://archive.is/16lyo)
New Scientist - https://www.newscientist.com/article/2461213-hundreds-of-small-websites-may-shut-down-due-to-uks-online-safety-act/
BoingBoing - https://boingboing.net/2024/12/18/britains-online-safety-rules-come-into-force-andl-ocal-sites-are-already-shutting-down.html
TechDirt - https://www.techdirt.com/2024/12/20/death-of-a-forum-how-the-uks-online-safety-act-is-killing-communities/Please reply with any more and I can add them.
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I have often wondered about the merit of a light that attaches to the top of your top tube near the head tube or indeed on the back of the handlebars with a wide light source surface area that emits a lowish power fill light that actually illuminates the body of the rider.
This is a nice idea. Do you think it would help to humanize the cyclist to motorists?
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I'm happy with the bike light system that I've got, as are most people I can think of. The issues that I've heard from other cyclists come from forgetting to bring their lights or forgetting to charge them.
Magnetically powered lights like this one are one way to solve those problems (if they don't get stolen): https://reelight.com/collections/battery-free-lights/products/ams
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Wow, this sucks so much. I feel so sorry for Hayley's friends and family. @Maj was always my favourite poster on here. Funny in the specific kind of way that comes from growing up on the weird parts of the internet. Always punching up. Incredibly irreverent and still sensitive to people's suffering.
We met a couple of times at Badgers rides, and she was friendly from day 1, always warm and in good spirits. And it was clear from the cluster of people that were always gathered around that she was one of the anchor points where other people felt comfortable.
We also bumped into each other at a protest not too long ago. In that context I think it wasn't the easiest to place who I was, but the Albion jacket helped to clarify. She was totally willing to chat to this half-stranger and hilarious as ever. I was looking forward to tagging along on a few of these new cafe bimbles in the new year. Just gutted. RIP
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LFGSS and Microcosm shutting down 16th March 2025 (the day before the Online Safety Act is enforced)
In practice, this means the local cycling forum that fostered trust, friendship, and even mental health support is at risk of vanishing, while the megacorps sail on without a scratch. Ironically, a measure allegedly designed to rein in “Big Tech” ends up discouraging small, independent communities and pushing users toward the same large platforms the legislation was supposedly targeting.
This comment on Hacker News touches on one of the many reasons that Discord is an uncomfortable solution to this.
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LFGSS and Microcosm shutting down 16th March 2025 (the day before the Online Safety Act is enforced)
LFGSS really has its own identity that is rare to find online in current times. It comes from the atmosphere of community, from the pleasing functionality of the platform itself, and the level of activity accumulated over years of uptime. Facebook, Reddit and Discord were never able to fill the space left after the old era of internet forums ended, as they didn't have the structure for fostering thoughtful discussion or developing a communal knowledge base.
It would be a huge shame to see this corner of the internet go dark. Hopefully something can be done.
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Also, happy to chip in with dev work.