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do you even lift?

What is this? Cotton? High friction. Piss poor.

I just got the Lezyne Pressure drive, small, in blue:

http://www.tredz.co.uk/prodimg/23938_2_SuperSize.jpg

The mount is made of alu, and they're quite sturdy.

The mount that came with mine is made of plastic, not metal. The length is meant to be 170mm, but I measured it at 185mm including the rubber end plugs. The colour isn't the same as in the picture, it's almost turquoise. Weight is 95g without the bracket, not 87g. Pretty poor that it doesn't match it's specification/description.

The quality is absolutely first rate though (apart from the bracket). I haven't used it yet, but I am quite impressed by the quality. I don't regret the choice. I would buy the same pump again in the same colour. I got mine from Tredz for £23.98.

BTW, the Lezyne Tech Drive HP Small is all alloy, 170mm long. But it's cheaper for some reason. Not sure if I should go for that one instead of the Pressure Drive...

Jersey pocket! or if i'm not in cycling kit, then in a little bag in my backpack.

That's what I was thinking. What jersey do you have? I don't have one. You fit it all in there like a spare tube, tyre levers, some tools or multitool? Cycling (without a backpack especially) feels quite freeing. Even more than a car for me. I want to keep hold of that if I can. With the SKS Tour Bag XL I was thinking about getting, the main compartment can be expanded to 190mm (2L capacity). That should hold a pump and a lot of extras.

But then taking a look at Topeak Aero Wedge... even the small virsion is supposed to be 18cm long (0.66L capacity), medium is 23c, long (1.48-1.97 L capacity). Should fit a pump. Any opinions or other suggestions?

MrDuck, I am hoping that you are the designer of the Abus Futura 64 Mini, and you get a percentage for each of the sales, otherwise your extraordinary efforts seem to be somewhat in vain.

The Evo Mini is the best of the secondary locks. Other locks in its sector come close but do not surpass it. The Evo Mini isn't described anywhere on this forum (as far as I know) as a primary lock. Also, I trust the Bike Radar test of the Futura 64, because they have a set pattern for the tests, and if a lock fails at a certain stage or a certain time, the other locks tested before it and after would have had the same test, so the results are very comparable.

However, it is an 11mm thick lock, and not 13mm-14mm as the rest of the locks in this section are. The Futura 64 could only really compete with the 2 Krabus locks, and the Masterlock in the list. The others are superior mainly because the steel is thicker, and of similarly good quality.

Oh no, you missunderstand me. I'm saying the Futura 64 is not good enough as a primary lock. Just like the Evo Mini.

• Evo Mini = broken with hand tools (e.g. large bolt croppers and/or lever attack)
  
• Futura 64 = broken with hand tools (e.g. large bolt croppers and/or lever attack)
  
  

The problem with that Bikeradar review of the Futura 64, is that there is no test for the Evo Mini that I can find to compare it with. So you say the results are very comparable... assuming the testing procedure is the same for each lock (which I doubt, explained below), can you show me the review for the Evo Mini? I can't seem to find it.

The testing procedure is kept secret (assuming they have a testing procedure). For example, what size bolt croppers do they use? Do they even use the same person and force on each lock? Do they maintain or sharpen the bolt croppers before each test so it's the same? The best example of their less-than-ideal testing procedure is to show you their review of the Abus Steel-O-Flex. It "passed our five-minute first round with minimal cosmetic damage". They gave it 5 out of 5 stars, which is more than they gave the Fahg Mini!! But we all know the Steel-O-Flex can easily be sliced through with bolt croppers. Even if it takes more than 1 go because the cable is too thick to fit in the jaws.

However, it is an 11mm thick lock, and not 13mm-14mm as the rest of the locks in this section are. The Futura 64 could only really compete with the 2 Krabus locks, and the Masterlock in the list. The others are superior mainly because the steel is thicker, and of similarly good quality.

Yeh, I know this is true. What I am basically trying to argue/ask is that it doesn't really matter that much, because all these locks can be broken with hand tools anyway (otherwise they would be on the "locks that work" thread). It's just got to be decent enough to withstand all but the biggest of bolt croppers attack. I thought the Futura 64 would meet that standard. Although I admit I don't have a tonne of evidence to support it.

i reached an eventual quotation (chucking in a random spec.) of £49 for A22's Guard Dog Skewer, as featured in this graphic; have suggested to A22 that showing a price range would be a good idea as its frustrating to plough through specification just to arrive at having a rough idea of how much their solution costs..

I was using this price list. £64 for a single front skewer. £153 for the full set of 2 skewers, a topcap and a seatpost clamp. Not exactly cheap I thought.

I am going to get a lezyne pressure drive - small (170mm according to spec). Cheapest place I found for it was Tredz http://www.tredz.co.uk/.Lezyne-CNC-Machined-Aluminium-Pressure-Drive-Bike-Cyclle-Hand-Pump-With-ABS-Flex-Hose_23938.htm

I am wondering, how to people like to carry their pumps... I was looking at saddle bags like SKS tour bag (L or XL), and the length of this one is 15cm. So it looks like it won't fit the pump even though it's quite large. I didn't want to put it on the frame because the frame mount will probably break one day and it's annoying having to take all these parts off like lights and pump when you park it somewhere incase of theft. I could shove it in a pocket maybe or carry it around in a backpack.

How do you carry your mini pumps around?

I've been meaning to try a silicone lubricant - I need to get some anyway as it is recommend for the locks I fitted to my UPVC doors after reading about burglars using snapping and bumping to easily defeat regular euro locks.

I thought having really slick, lubricated locks would make it easier to pick/bump...

I assume that lock lube coats the lock parts in a thin layer of graphite, which would protect them, but mainly it's for lubrication.

Even GT85 should be better than WD40. GT85 contains PTFE. The lowest friction substance known to man.

I purchased some graphite lock lubricant from Maplins. It's in a little bottle that has a nozzle you insert into the lock and push in

How small is it? Really small like only 15ml?

This review is why its not made the list (so far)......it may do (though it will have to show its worth it). I'll have to look into it a bit more. But at the moment, I remain to be convinced.
http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/category/accessories/locks/product/review-abus--granit-futura-09-33986

I'm doing my best to find comparative reviews using an Evo Mini as a benchmark. It's not easy.

An Evo Mini can be broken with just a lever as best I can work out by looking at the user submitted pictures on Amazon. It is also thin enough to be bolt cropped (probably). And AFAIK, you only have to cut 1 side and then rotate it rather than cutting both sides. All in all, the Evo Mini is not good enough as a primary lock as it can be broken with hand tools.

By that standard, is there anything to show how the Futura 64 falls short? The road.cc review showed it can't be bolt cropped that easily at least... http://road.cc/content/review/34832-abus-granit-futura-mini-u-lock. Saying it was not broken in 5 minutes with "the big bolt cutters" and "with the help of a 2 ton bottle jack". If it was tough enough to resist all hand tool attacks, it would be for the "Locks that work" thread ;).

right, so a primary lock; their skewer is presented as a cheaper and lighter alternative to the second lock

Cheaper?!? A single QR skewer alone costs about the same as a Fahg Mini!

These locking nuts and skewers are not really an alternative, they are more of an extra. For people with lots of money, and probably a bike that's too expensive for it to be left on the streets as it is.

So, ball-bearings superglued inside Allen heads are a deterrent, but security skewers/nuts aren't?

And a second D-lock through your front wheel and frame somehow prevents your seat from getting stolen?
What?

If someone is going to steal your forks, then security nuts will be a help. But you can superglue a ball bearing and get the same effect. For the saddle, you migh believe that you have secured it by spending all that money and listening to the manufacturers claims, but if your saddle is valuable, it won't make much difference.

If you have a really valuable bike and lock it well like with a Fahg Mini for the frame and rear wheel, Evo Mini for the front wheel, then a locking skewer for the front wheel can help. Because theives might try to break the less secure D-lock just for the wheel. Plus you can't really secure a wheel with a superglued ball baring.

BTW, I still have the Abus Granit Futura 64 that I paid sixty-five quid for 8 years ago. Fucking ace lock, nobody ever messed with it in London and it was often the only lock on my bike. Front wheel was secured with a simple Allen (non-Q/R) skewer. Worth its RRP.

Thanks! I'm so tempted. £36.46 at Amazon. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Abus-Futura-64-Mini-U-Lock/dp/B0026B4RBO

GA2G, should it really be excluded from the secondary locks list just because it's 11mm? It is Sold Secure Silver like the Evo Mini. A lower quality lock thats easier to break and Bronze rated could make it onto the list just by being thicker and heavier, it seems.

acculy is dolan

what about this suggestion: Ditch the weight! (Atomic 22)

1) They are so expensive
2) They don't offer any deterrent
3) They can offer false security
4) They don't imobilise the bike

They cost even more than a high end D-lock like a Fahg Mini. Theives will think the bike is not secured properly and will damage the bike trying to steal it. Even if they fail and then give up, they will probably kick the wheels in in frustration. These locking devices won't stop your saddle being stolen for example. Someone can just saw through the seatpost to take the saddle (it has happened). A D-lock on the front wheel will first need to be broken if the bike is to be ridden away, whereas locking skewers won't need to be broken first.

what about the Knog Bouncer as an alternative to the Evolution Mini? It's a bit lighter at only 800g, 13mm shackle. I found it really cheap from Halfords at £19.54 in black with an extension cable.

I thought that was too good to be true. I tried adding the Bouncer to the basket at that price, and then the price jumped to £49.59!

I'm trying to find a decent secondary lock that's less than 1000g. I know there is
1) Evolution mini-5 - 900g
2) Abus U40 - 980g
3) Abus Granit Futura 64 - only 690g apparently

I'm really tempted by the Futura 64. The price has come done a lot from the insane £65-£75, to £36.46 at Amazon currently. It's Sold Secure Silver too, and this review here are all persuading me. Considering this is meant for a secondary lock, where it doesn't have to be able to withstand the biggest bolt cutter attacks. What do you think?

I've read a few reviews where the key has snapped in Kryptonite locks too: My Kryptonite NY 3000 started getting stiff, presumably from rust, after just one week of ownership, although a drop of mineral oil and plenty of WD40 squirted where the hasp goes seems to have cured it.

Just 1 week?? Use WD40 to free up corrosion and rust, then you need some graphite lock lubricant to keep it slick. That should give some protection against the weather too. I've not tried it, I just read that's what you are supposed to do ¬.¬

The quality is inferior to my Krypto mini D and I'd feel less happy leaving it out in the rain.

Better to buy something higher quality that you can use outside. But a good alternative for indor use only. Imagine buying a few of these OnGuard locks instead of an Almax Security chain and padlock. It would look stupid but really secure.

Sure its not a high grade of stainless, but it is very thick.

It has to be hardened steel to resist cutting (except from diamond cutting discs of course).

I love a good anorak me. :-)

Glad to know that approximately 15mm is just not on, when 14.7mm is so much better.

That has given me a good laugh. :-) But well done anyway for illustrating it so precisely.

I think that was the first time I was able to use a few little calculations to make someone laugh. But if you are pleased, then I am pleased :).

You didn't mention the reason for your preference of an in-built hose on the pump.
Less delicacy required? (for those who love action)

So you save the stress and hassle of trying to not wreck the valve stem as you pump away.

The Abus Granit X 54's 13mm square shackle is approximately 15mm in diameter, corner to corner.

Do you want to know the exact calculations for the cross sectional area? Finding area of a circle using... Area=(Pi)r²

13mm round = 132.732mm²
13mm square = 169mm² (27.3% greater than 13mm round)

Finding the diameter for a given cross sectional area, X, using... Diameter=2*(square root(X/Pi))

169mm² = 14.669mm round

So to sum up and assuming all else is equal...

• A 13mm square shackle is 27% 'tougher' than a 13mm round shackle.
  
• A 13mm square shackle would be equivalent to a 14.7mm round shackle.
  

I'd say race rocket. My favourite mini-pump by a country mile.

Did you look at or use the Lezyne for comparison?

1 vote for the Lezyne here. Looked at both and ended up going for the Lezyne Pressure Drive Mini ABS which is the full alloy CNC one rather than the part plastic. Seemed to be much nicer quality than the ~£5-7 cheaper HP Drive and nicer to use than the Topeak.

Nicer to use how? It just felt like a more premium product? The ABS is just used to help remove the pump from a Presta valve, is that right? Is the performance (like the pressures it can reach) the same between the all alloy and part plastic versions?

I've dropped my alloy Lezyne at speed and had it run over by a car and it's still faultless.

Good test! Advantages of not using plastic, I assume.

The dark horse - Quicker Pro

No in built hose, so that's out of the race ¬.¬

I think the Lezyne is looking slightly better than Topeak.

I'd favour the Abus Granite 54 x-plus over the Knog at that price point - £56

Yep, it looks like a very good all rounder. Good enough to make it into the "locks that work" list, but almost conspicuously so at only 13mm (square). The only other positive I can think of for the Knog Strongman, is that it's silicone skin would be annoying to thieves. It would gum up a cutting blade. It would take longer to cut away the skin with hand tools than it would to cut through the shackle with an angle grinder! So it gives it a sort of unexpected advantage.

Down to £18 now! Damn, I paid £30 the other week.
£24 with delivery. It seems too cheap! Isn't there some sort of quality issues with it? For OnGuard, I've heard of keys made of soft metal that breaks and really bad weather-proofing. Although I don't know if either of those applies to that specific lock.

like the knog strongman or the abus ugrip plus 501. i read the tests about the knog but couldn't find any info if the abus is better than the knog. any advice?

The Abus is meant to be 13mm square, so should be thicker, heavier and more secure than the Strongman which is 13mm round.

What is the verdict between the Topeak Race Rocket mini pump and the Lezyne alternative such as the Lezyne HP Drive ABS Pump? Topeak is the better design with a hose that you don't have to attach. Is the quality better with Lezyne? The Lezyne is a little cheaper. Which pump is best?

The TiGr is in the full review in June 2012 men's journal page {{edit here:- http://www.mensjournal.com/expert-advice/torture-test-bike-locks-20120925 }} - Apparently, they were able to hacksaw through it as well, and they can't even have been using a carbide blade, as it didn't touch any of the hardened locks.

Thanks for the links. Yeah, metal blades for sure, softer than the hardened steel locks they were trying to cut.

So the Knog Strongman can at least defeat 24 inch bolt croppers and metal hack saw blades. I wish they used 42 inch croppers though. To see if it could defend against more serious theft attempts.

I think the knog has a round shackle under all that silicon - I seem to recall seeing a review where they cut the silicon off and cut it with bolt cutters. It looks like it might be ok as a secondary lock, although overpriced. There's video review of a few 13mm locks here:- http://gizmodo.com/5922074/the-best-bike-lock again they're not using the best choice of blades, discs or croppers.

Similar to the other link... decent hardened steel locks (even the lower end like that 12mm Abus) defeated the mid size attacks like bolt croppers and a hack saw. I've seen high end chains like 13mm hardened steel being bolt cropped in seconds like on the Almax Security promos, ITV programme, youtube, etc. So probably the Knog Strongman could also be bolt cropped. I wish they would test it properly. So then the Strongman might be OK for a secondary lock, but as you say it's overpriced. It's about £60 which is about the same price as the Abus 401 for example. The Abus doesn't even come with a mounting bracket, so the Strongman isn't that overpriced. Then again you can get a Fahg Mini for £50 new if you shop around. So many paths to take...

Ok, thanks for your feedback.

I know Knog isn't a brand you can have much confidence in... but what about the Knog Bouncer as an alternative to the Evolution Mini? It's a bit lighter at only 800g, 13mm shackle. I found it really cheap from Halfords at £19.54 in black with an extension cable. They sell the white and teal version for £30 and that doesn't come with a cable.

Isn't the Abus U-Mini 401 a 16mm shackle and good enough for the locks that work thread? Kryptonite New York 3000 is 16mm after all...

Any verdict on this OnGuard combination lock? £17.55 from Amazon www.amazon.co.uk/Onguard-Bulldog-Combo-STD-8010C-Shackle/dp/B00AW7PN4Y/

I don't recommend the Squire Urban Paramount and here is why:
http://road.cc/content/review/8165-squire-urban-paramount-lock

heh, I wonder if it could be repaired with gaffer tape ._.

There's a review of sorts of the Knog Strongman here:- http://cars-supercars.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/bike-lock-comparison-by-men-journal.html 1:45 to cut through with a battery powered angle grinder

Nice how they don't bother to mention how long it took to break through the Fahg Mini or Abus 54 so we can compare it...

A Bikeradar review of it is online, only a few days old... "The Strongman stood up to the first of our usual lock tests, a five-minute attack with standard tools, and in the subsequent power tool test the shackle took just over 30 seconds to cut through, and that was after a minute or so of cutting away the silicone cover. It all adds up to an impressive little lock." Doesn't seem too bad to me. I'm guessing it could be cut with 1000mm bolt cutters just about? Seems like it should at least make it onto the secondary locks thread.

someone here states that a Kryptonite new york only lasted just over a minute against a grinder and that's a thicker lock.

While they failed to crop it, they were only using 2' bolt cutters, so that was not much of a test at-all - in fact only 1 lock they tested cropped, and that was a TiGr.

But a round shackle has a smaller cross sectional area than a square one. So 13mm square Abus is like 16mm Kryptonite. I don't see TiGr in either of the links you posted :S

OK, thanks. Yeah, according to bikeradar on the Fahg Mini...

Unlike the excellent Abus, in test two this one only required the one cut, but the material used is very hard.
Also according to bikeradar, it took "close to three minutes to sever" the Fahg Mini, but it took "a whole 4min 43sec" to break through both sides of the Abus Granit X-Plus 54. So isn't the Abus more secure and the better choice? It is cheaper, lighter, comes with a bracket too. Is there something I am missing?

I was seriously looking into the Squire Urban Paramount (13mm shackle, excellent 6 pin tumbler). According to bikeradar, it took a "portable powered cutter" (implying a battery powered angle grinder) to break it "in a little under 20 seconds". Can the difference be really that big between two D locks that are both 13mm? I assume the Knog Strongman can also be cut through in a few seconds too. Can anyone explain that? Is Abus using some special steel alloy that is very hard or something?

Hi. Nice thread. I've scanned though the whole thing. Hopefully these are all new questions...

The Fahg Mini... if you cut one side only, can it rotate and be taken off? I've seen conflicting information on this. It would be a major disadvantage if it only needs one side cutting to get it off. Does it matter which side is cut first?

The Evolution Mini is well used and recommended secondary lock. Is it either the "Kryptonite Evolution Mini-5" or "Kryptonite Evolution Mini 7"? Both are 13mm and Sold Secure Silver rated. What is the difference between them? Why not use a Gold rated lock that's 13mm thick and about the same size and weight instead?

What do people think of the Knog Strongman? It never gets a mention. It's 13mm and Gold rated. It's quite light for a Gold rated D-lock at around 1.1-1.2KG and looks like it has a decent mount bracket. You have to cut both sides of the shackle to get it off too. Would it offer the same level of security as Abus Granit 53/54 locks?