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Thanks all, lots more info for the planning process!

Have you stopped the late night mixing sessions?

Like the canal idea.

Beer could also feature.

Any opinion on Gelderland? Looks like the greenest bit on the map.

I have two full days at the end of July to ride from the ferry port at Hoek to Kerkrade in the south. I've started thinking about the route, but so far just have a 250km straight line heading south east. I could do that in a day at a push, but I'd rather take my time and see a few sights along the way. Problem is, I don't know very much about Holland, apart from that Amsterdam is unlikely to be very lively first thing on a Thursday morning...

I started making a list of things which I thought were "must sees":

1. Windmills
   
2. Fields with flowers in
   
   

Got a bit stuck after that! Any suggestions on things to see, routes to take and / or places to stay?

Surely that way you miss Sean's cal-coo-lay-shuns?

Tempted to email Conway but didn't catch the reg - these things might be GPS'd though

Conway have a massive 'committed to cycling safety' thing going on at HHV. Might be worth contacting them anyway?

A file tread CX tyre?

Can't find any bargainous examples...

Maybe these:

http://www.highonbikes.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/265x265/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/c/o/country_rock_1_new.jpg

6 riders per team.

Righto.

"Fixie Skidders"* Italian Pursuit Team

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*aka "Squadra delle persone che sbandare su biciclette scatto fisso"

Fixie Skidders Italian Pursuit team?

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Massive respect to HoKe and his sprint.

Can someone clarify the following:

• Points earned at track league cannot contribute to license points.
  
• Final rankings for track leagues can have points awarded.
  
• This doesn' t apply to HHVWNTL as it's regional C.
  
• Open event races can have points awarded as long as they're long enough.
  

Is there an "early death person years" metric?

4,000 premature deaths per year.

That's a pretty mind-blowing number.

How does it compare to obesity, smoking etc?

See you all tomorrow night! I'll be the one with the ridiculous 90mm wheels purchased on a drunken whim that make me look like a right idiot!

You're OK! Only 8-9 mph winds.

http://www.xcweather.co.uk/forecast/herne_hill

You guys clock up some distance!

I'm 550km short. In my defence, I was on holiday for a week, but still I've been riding centuries, chaingangs, before work etc.

And made it illegal to ride on the road if there's a cycle lanes too.

They will honk and shout abused at you if you decided not to hug the kerbs, no difference to here.

It's not ideal, but at least that's pretty much restricted to towns and busy roads. Soon as you get into the lanes (i.e. country lanes, not cycle lanes), there's no marked paths and you can ride where you like.

Plus they're wide enough to ride two abreast so you can chat all you like as you ride.

But then again, my experience is limited to big events. Might be different riding on your own.

UK = 5.7 fatalities per bn vehicle km
NL = 5.6

Suggests maybe some of the difference is just our perception?

BTW, UAE = 310

Seems to work over there?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEXD0guLQY0

Stockwell standoff?

Terrible behaviour, fantastic name.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-stoke-staffordshire-22338876

I'd love to start this some time but don't think I'm ready now, is there a cutoff date to join in?

Bearing in mind I'd be in the slowest cat and I'm a youth.

No, no cut-off. I joined up really late last year.

vatar Name = Rider No = Club (if applicable)

colinsmith123 = 15 = WKRC
dimi3 = 61 = Tokyo × Morvelo / Rollapaluza
attaque84 = 59 = DP

The "rude bike" gets a mention.

Sadcliffe?
Gladcliffe?
Madcliffe?
Badcliffe?
Sketchpadcliffe?
Ciudadcliffe?

The possibilities are endless...

John M's a hipster?

Do you think Dimi would get away with wearing a jersey bearing the marque of his bike?

And re. hands on tops - yeah I know, I'm just trying to be down with the yoofs.