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See above.
It's posible that it's a very old Gazelle. I don't know these frames so well.
Or another frame with a Gazelle head badge.
So bad, when people repaint such a nice frame, because you loose all information about it.Also the rear dropout and the finishing of the chain stays look a bit strange.
In combination with the falling top tube: maybe an old road frame with new, track dropouts?I'm pretty sure your last guess is correct. The frame looks identical to an old Gazelle 'Sprinter Race'. As far as I can tell it's a semi-race/touring cycle at the lower end of Gazelle '60s/'70s output (although it seems to have 531 plain gauge tubes). They changed the dropouts and put on a fork from another frame, resulting in the lowering of the front.
Here's some pictures of an original one: http://www.retrobike.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=241845
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Not that I'm looking to swap anything out but wondering how good a match to the frame they are, quality and period-wise. Am I right in thinking the frame is very late 80s?
The decal style (old font, single band of world champion stripes) suggests it's 1986-7ish.
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Mental indeed, it has the monostay and indented seat tube of an AA Super, but also sports eyelets for mudgards and is apparently branded a semi-race. To top it off it has what looks like a reversed top tube and extended seat tube of a time trial Gazelle with old style cable guides.
It looks like they made a Frankenstein gazelle with leftover parts in Dieren, but the 1986 Gazelle brochure simply presents it as the A-frame for tall people.
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That looks just great Matt. Glad the shifter mount was so easily solved, when I got the bike the part on the far right of your picture was bent heavily and could not be used anymore.
Love that she will be ridden once more, have you tried her out yet? The seat tube devouring the back wheel looks amazing on these frames.
Peter, I saw that AA-Super on Ebay too, but it was the version without a monostay if that´s any consolation.
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It´s pretty good, one step below their top tubing. You can look at the old brochures on the Koga site, if you know the name/colour of the bike it´s very usefull. Here is the 1983 one: http://www.koga.com/koga/linkservid/6F598CC1-3FFA-4C4C-81CC87233EC4EF0E/showMeta/0/
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The Gazelle Demax is a compact frame, so the measured 56 cm makes it an L, the largest available size, probably equivalent to about 60 cm. The forks seem not to be original to the (reynolds) frame, but the Demax frame is supposed to be very nice.
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Looks like a Trim Trophy frame, as used in the Gazelle Tour de l'Avenir model or sold as frame only.
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I have a CM cyclocross from around 1980 that was resprayed in the new style, but I can forgive it easily. It complements my Gazelle Champion Mondial family of a 1978 Dames semi-race kruisframe for the missess and my main ride, the 1981 AA.
AX Direct Drive pedals should give you another cm or so, so it makes sense to install an AX group.
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S&B, I was thinking 150 GBP/175 Euro excl. shipping, but I´m based in Holland and have never shipped a frame. The one you went for looks very nice, is it a respray or a late (1988) model? I prefer the older style of decals myself, but it´s a beauty indeed, can´t wait to see it built up with AX components.
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I still have a 1986 AA Super frame that's just sitting around looking pretty since it's much too small for me. I always thought it was 54 cm, but looking it over recently I found it said 55 under the monostay.
It still has its original paint, but has also clearly been used in anger, with the expected paint damage and a very slight indentation on the top tube (pictured). It also still has its (nuovo record ?) campagnolo bottom bracket and headset, which feel a bit notchy but should be servicable.
I have been reluctant to put it up for sale since it's still so pretty and special but I can't really justify hanging on too it, so if you are interested it might find proper use again.
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Crap, that's my size too. Must resist...
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The speedstream is rarer for sure, just wondered how rare. Another search I did brought up 20 to 25 frames made, which seems extremely limited.
My AA Super frame is 54 cm, unfortunately I need at least 58 cm and preferably 60-62 cm. I should probably try to sell it some day, but the same goes for some other bikes (been a bit too much of an n+1 guy). I´ll probably end up on one of those ´hoarders´ shows.
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wow that down tube is nice and skinny isn't it
maybe be he used a vice to hold his bike as he worked on it
The seat tube is anorexic too (see picture).
How rare are these frames anyway? Compared to an AA Super for example? I have an AA Super frame (1986 version) that´s unfortunately too small for me, but the speedstream chained to the rack at the station is the only one of its kind I´ve ever seen in the flesh (steel?).
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531 speedstream frame and forks
That´s an optimistic asking price. Saw this speedstream Gazelle that was apparently being used as a throwaway commuter last year behind Rotterdam Central Station. Quite heartbreaking.
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Cornelis Tweewiecers on it - any ideas what this is or was?
It refers to the the name of the local bike shop where it was bought ('tweewielers' means twowheelers, ie bicycles). The shop is called TACO, wouldn't be surprised if the 'Co' bit refers to Cornelis, while the 'Ta' might well be the first part of a business partner or wife's name, for example Tanja. Lots of older Dutch businesses use this somewhat quaint naming format, like Koga. The adress on the bottom of the decal still houses a bike shop with the same name and although it has Gazelle signs the focus seems to have shifted to scooters:
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The 61 cm frame would generally fit you fine. I'm 6'2" and ride 60-62cm frames comfortably.
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dibs Turbo saddle, World Champion Stripes Edition.
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If it's 531 straight gauge it probably uses a 26.4 seatpost like my Gazelle Champion Mondial semi-race from 1978. It is a good idea to get some proper measuring done with vernier calipers though.
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You can find it here (scroll down): http://jvs.webklik.nl/page/maat
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I'd imagine an AA Super with the indented seat tube to shorten the wheelbase is the most agile Champion Mondial.
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Second digit 2 means it was made in 1982
That's the 1984 model, you can find it in the 'past brochures > older' section on the koga.com website. This should be a direct link to the 1984 brochure
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It's probably the LBS where the bike was sold. H.H. Waard is short for Heerhugowaard, a town in the Netherlands. A quick google shows the shop still exists, although under a slightly different name: http://www.tedhoftweewielers.nl/
They still seem to sell Gazelle road bikes.
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dibs ^ 6. 7400-A seatpost B - 27.2mm