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Windy, wet, twisty road, hugely powerful car and trees is a bad combination at any time I guess.

On that note, @Velocio you'd go far with phrases like "obviously you'd take Tuncay in his prime, but he'll do" about Martin Odegaard, or "they say he's the new Glenn Whelan" about Declan Rice.

Lots of nods of appreciation coming your way if you nail these sorts of comments.

I was at the Emirates last time (possibly) they played Monaco there. Also on a free ticket.

You could reminisce about how Berbatov scored for Monaco that night - obviously just rubbed it in.

They don't just own the club, they were allowed to just buy their way into the pyramid, circumventing the rules that are supposed to stop German football from being hollowed out, and they operate like the City Group in a way that cares nothing for loser "legacy fans" or clubs' histories.

I definitely thought Klopp was better than that, even though I never liked him that much.

I hope @villa-ru 's boys absolutely hammer Klopp's FC Plastics tonight.

Leipzig is a great city, it's a shame it has to be associated with this lot.

He probably wasn't wrong though.

I did this a few years ago.

It took days of effort and a lot of swearing, lots of job satisfaction but next time I paid someone to do it.

I wonder if his seemingly completely needless attack on the Civil Service was meant solely for Elon Musk? It emerged at the same time as the rumours that he's about to give Reform UK £80m, and he's been attacking Starmer a fair bit.

Obviously it's appalling if we're attack public servants to please a right-wing billionaire toddler but at least that's a strategy, I'm not sure why else he'd be trying to reduce the morale of the very people responsible for delivering his policies.

It sounds from the civil service like Labour haven't really got the hang of being in government yet.

I remember seeing an interview not long after he signed and they asked him if he thought he'd score a lot of goals and he said that wasn't really his game.

It did seem quite hard to dislike him to be fair.

"...his favourite player Beto"

I'd say it's likely the Wolves game might be the first he'd ever watched.

You've got to be gutted if you're Coleman or Pickford and then this kid's favourite player is a striker who's been there a year and barely scored.

A chair, there's a loose leg on an otherwise good condition Ercol chair so ideally something that still works when applied thinly.

What's the forum recommended wood glue?

That's good to hear. I've heard a lot of good things as well, and the Facebook group for planning advice etc has a lot of examples that look really good. We'll try and get to the showroom over Christmas and also to the Howdens Expo.

Did everything turn up in good condition?

The main negative I've read about them is things turning up damaged and then the time taken to replace.

If we went with them it would probably be custom painted as well which means an even longer wait and potential matching issues if it's doors or panels that are damaged.

I'm also not completely sure that I trust us not to change our minds about whether we really do want a drawer there or whether we could squeeze another unit in the island which Howdens would be better accommodating.

Sounded like a wall of noise from the Forest fans on the radio. I'm pleased to see you doing well when it's not against us.

Yep that's all fine, but it's a different issue to what I'm talking about.

I've also said quite clearly that I don't think all trades are rip-offs, I've said that our builder has been quite transparent about it and happy to share how the pricing and negotiation work.

But the Howdens system, which is what my complaint was about, is obviously set up to include a big grey area.

If you're planning to paint them I think they could look good.

The amount of filler you'd need to use on the woodworm bits might detract from the look a bit if you wanted to just use oil.

Yesterday I managed to get a second hand Smeg double oven in good condition for only £200.

Today I managed to break one of its doors trying to get it into storage during a storm.

We'll most likely end up adding to that as well despite the frustration.

It is good quality, convenient and popular with builders.

Has anyone been up to the big Howdens showroom/expo in Northampton?

Our builder has a very good relationship with Howdens and says the way it works is:

1. Howdens name their price
   
2. The builders say it's too dear
   
3. They reduce it to what the builders want
   
   

A transparent pricing structure would be better - it seems like Howdens' is set up to allow builders to choose how much they can rip off customers by.

Because - I probably should have explained this better - this was after we'd chosen the design, carcasses, layout, worktop, etc.

As an opening question before you think about design it's definitely useful. But after you've already explained what you want it sounds like "how much profit can we squeeze from you?"

We just had a Howdens guy round to look at the kitchen design.

He asked "how much do you want to pay?"

This really isn't a customer-friendly pricing strategy. Luckily we've got a DIY Kitchens design we like, and a DIY Kitchens showroom opening 15 minutes from here on Monday, so that's at least a negotiating point.

Does anyone have any experience with Clearwater taps?

I thought they were the forum-approved ones but realised that was Crosswater.

I've gone off the Quooker a bit due to the cost, ongoing costs, and how much cupboard space you lose, but I like the idea of a filter tap.

Filter tap, with a pull out. Clearwater Toledo looks good, any others?

Paint Panther and a scraping, then a sanding, then boiled linseed oil. Briwax to finish which is pending once I've got the other chairs to the same stage.

Faced with chants of "you're getting sacked in the morning", a downcast-looking Guardiola humbly reminded Liverpool fans how many of his last seven games had ended in defeat: