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the system defaults to the default only when all other factors affecting the position cease. So you assume the default position only when the positioning matters the least, at situations where the overriding edge-hazard, lane-width and junction-approach rules don't affect your positioning.

Concise, precise, nice.

Now do the same for the Pussy and Cock pithy phrase thingymabob.

Transport for London have been debating what advice to give to cyclists around the default riding position and there is some discussion

Thinking about this some more....

TFL can go hang. They want to dictate where we should ride across all london but refuse to dictate any cycling policy to the local authorities who take their grants. Cycling conditions vary massively from bourough to bourough. There IS NO default position in the real world. We should ride where ever the hell we need to on our own roads. Until TFL are prepared to roll out a coherent and progressive cycling policy for London, they really need to "lip up" about where we should position ourselfs. We are doing what we HAVE to do to ride safely. I'v got 30 years riding in london and I know in my bones that what we teach is right! TFL are not really concerned with cyclists (in my view) except when they become a "problem". They are the last people who should be suggesting changes to the syllabus.

Sorry, always angry in the mornings, it's the coffee....

PS "lip up" - see what i'v done there? ;-)

A conference is planned later this month for London boroughs to hammer this out and to make recommendations for changes to the National Standard training syllabus.

Thinking about this.... I think Fausto is totally right. There is a limit to how many positions one can define so any change is going to represent telling riders to ride to the left/be less assertive etc. It's the engineering guidelines that need looking at not what we are doing.

I suspect that TFL have recieved an increasing number of complaints that cyclists are, "riding in the middle of the road" and this is their response. Skydancer?

If that is the case then it means we are doing our jobs :-)

A while back I did a proposal for Camden that would have seen their engineers and some cycletrainers working together to formulate some compatable solutions. So much of what they build is just nonsense from our perspective. It'll never happen now post cuts

That was exactly the idea I was trying to get across, cyclists changing size as needed.

There's a short film there.

@Fausto

Agree...

In Skydancer's first post he says, "disagreement around this issue between cycle trainers, road engineers and other parties".

I just wonder what there can be to dissagree about? What else is there for us to do? The pavement? Anyway, in London it's just too dynamic. I don't tell trainees that there is a "default" position, as such. I prefer to show them how to determine where to be in any situation so they have to keep thinking.

a wider acceptance of cyclists in within the traffic stream

Indeed...

If TFL really want to see this (I have my doubts) they should just come out and say it in the bluntest and most direct way. Something like, "Bikes Belong!" Less "Catch up with the Bike" and more "Make way for the Bike". Let the drivers know what time it is boyeee...

BTW What do the group think the default position for a cyclist is? Is there really any debate between trainers? I would have said Primary but in London one often will be in secondary as it is reasonable to let folks pass lots of the time. I can see that it might feel like secondary was the default but it's not so.... I think

Back in the day, long before I knew anything about cycle training, we just said, "Ride Wide!!". It's still true.

I have been considering a "gone native in the colonies" theme involving a military tweed jacket and some sort of a dhoti but must confess to being swayed by your Tyrolean ideas.

I suspect my tash will be the governing factor.

I am in a high state of excitment and am growing a tash specially for the run. Heartfelt commiserations to the people who didn't get in and a BIG thank you to the organisers for all their hard work. They have created a wildly popular event. A killer combination of memes and perfect timing too.... master situationists at work, me thinks. Chapeau!

I'm be all over the Tacchini track suit, Benneton rugby shirt, Fila jumper, Lois jumbo cords and Puma G Vilas.

Now you're talking... Fila jumpers... school daze

Puma Clydes. straight outa 78'

Kate....? Don't be coy.

Their website is beyond excellent: http://cyclingsavvy.org/

+1

just lost 30 mins on the site.... The animation on the FAQ is great. Wish I had a UK one

Really? That's it? No information or interest at all in what is happening elsewhere?
I am Level 3 disappoint.

Well we can't have that can we?

I recently had the chance to train a group of japanese researchers who were traveling the world looking into how cycling was being encouraged/handled in various countries. They were a fairly eminant bunch including a former chief engineer at Honda. Their report will go to the highest levels of the Japanese government.

It turns out that riding a bike in the road is not allowed in Japan. Anyone who has been to Tokyo will tell you that on pavement lanes are never going to happen there. There really is NO space. Riding around Holborn Circus on Boris bikes, with this guy from Honda shouting, "I feel freedom!" is a memory I will treasure.

The Japanese are looking at cycling in a very serious way and these guys were clear that if it took a change in the law to allow use of the roads then, "It will be done".

I hope to get a copy of their report in due course.

I used to wet my bed
...until I was 3 years old

That's off topic.... unless you wet yourself DURING cycle training.... when you were under 3.

Must be the positioning. They didn't know about defaulting to the primary back then.

No, it's the the shorts.... ;-)

Very good historical vid. Cheers for that

Bicycling safely on the road, 1979 on Vimeo

How odd... This left me a bit nervous about riding my bike...

At the end of an individual session I found that I really needed a pee. The trainee was a middle aged man and seemed very laid back. I broke one of the rules and asked if I could pop in for a pee. I was so desperate that I didn't look around the loo till I was half way done. I looked up and saw that the entire place was decorated with a massive collage' of extreme hardcore gay porn. Now I always pee before a session.

Demonstrating stopping with the pedal set and inadvertantly clipped in my left foot... Went over still attached, in front of a large group of yr 5 children. They said the straining of my neck as I went over was particularly amusing.

Can't happen now as I have junked the SPDs.

How long does it take to receive the rebate cheque?

Three months in my case and I had to hassle them a bit. I fronted the cash and got it back.

A life cut short. Words fail.

RIP

pissed i cant go, being 16 is shit.

Being 16 is THE BEST! Don't worry, you'll be old real soon.

top thread!

the guy in Wembly is an absolute legend! You should go to see him for sure. To the uninitiated, just turning up in Mumbai and trying to get a reserved place on a train is a real challenge. Go see him asap

My tip:

While you are in Kerela get the train up into the mountains to the east and visit kodai Kanal, a "Hill Station". 10000 feet up and pure heaven. I think you said you were going in March so it will be getting hot and you will love the cool jungle at altitude. It was once possible to purchase a really "special" mushroom omlette up there... at least that was the case in 1985. Sit on a two mile high cliff above the plain on "Coaker's Walk". Unforgetable. Have a blast! And to hell with your boss!!!

I trained with CTUK in late 08 and fully accredited in the spring of 09, I deliver adult and schools training for Camden, Islington, Westminster and Barnet. I am on a school course most weeks and have trained over 200 adults since I started up. This is my full time gig and I love the diversity and being all over north London on my bike. I am compiling a list of "Pie Shops" which I favour at http://londonneur.wordpress.com but I don't seem to have enough time to blog as much as I would like to. I feel strongly that growing cycling is important and that it can help address many of the issues facing us all.